Hey, guys, I don’t have time to catch up with all the threads on this, so tell me, what did we decide - guns, good or bad?
Neither one of you knuckle heads noticed how much you mention driving, did you? You seem to have wanted to compare alcohol to guns as though alcohol is some sort of weapon. Now you have to hurt yourselves bending over backwards to add all these other factors in to prove your point.
None of that is neither here nor there. Every time sane people want to have a discussion about guns, gun nuts sprain themselves trying to turn the topic to fucking anything else -alcohol, pools, ladders, hammers whatever.
No one the history of the world ever walked into a night club and killed 50 people with a pool, you know.
This rant is about as meaningless as the “call for prayers” you’re complaining about. At least the latter has good intentions.
It’s not about “turning the topic” to something else. It’s about pointing out that almost every product, technology, and social policy has risks and costs and negative consequences associated with it, and that people accept and rationally balance the risks and costs of many things without question yet somehow completely reject as sociopathic the suggestion that you can perform the same cost/benefit analysis for guns.
Other than the fact that you apparently have a much stronger emotional response to people being killed with a weapon, what’s the difference? Why is worth so much more effort to prevent gun deaths than the same number of deaths from some other cause?
It’s not my fault if people who are incapable of abstract thought need to have the analogy beaten into their heads in order to accept it.
It’s a little known fact that analogies cause as many deaths as guns and drunk drivers.
I might be able to do more damage throwing the Budweiser bottles at you than you could with the 22.
In retrospect, probably not the best time to make a dumb .22 joke.
No, I’m an active oppose of doings pointless shit because hyperventilating idiots feel the need to do something ANYTHING. I realize that you want the people who disagree with you to STFU. So does Trump.
You’re an idiot and a tool of other idiots. You do more harm to your own cause than the NRA could ever do. People didn’t turn their back on gun control after Sandy Hook because the NRA scared them. They turned their back on gun control after Sandy Hook because the gun control side was so chock full of stupid, intentionally ignorant people like you that the entire gun control argument lost credibility.
The truth is a stubborn thing, especially when it doesn’t line up with what you desperately want to be true.
Really? So when he called 911, did he pledge allegiance to guns or to some Islamic state?
I don’t see how that negates, in any way, the damage that the Tsarnaev brothers did with a pressure cooker bomb.
I only ridicule you because you are stupid and intentionally ignorant. My side of the argument is better off without the like of Ted Nugent and other idiots like him and your side of the argument is better off without the likes of you.
Yep, lots and lots of stupid idea and futile impotent gestures. Keep acting tough, you big bad internet tough guy you.
I only insult you because you’re so fucking stupid I feel an obligation to society to shove your face in your stupidity in the hopes that you will learn to stop being so stupid.
No one thinks of themselves as the bad guy, not even you. There are some problems that involve guns that gun control can effectively address and there are some problems that involve guns that cannot be addressed through gun control short of a full gun ban and confiscation. But considering that we are constantly being told that no one wants to ban guns or confiscate guns, we can treat the second category as a group of problems that occur rarely and cannot be meaningfully addressed through gun control.
A military grade assault rifle requires you to get a license from the FBI and pay a $200 stamp tax. Perhaps you meant a assault weapon and just added the words military grade in front of it because that would make it sound scarier or something.
The fact of the matter is that there is no difference between an assault weapon and any other magazine loaded rifle. Perhaps your complaint is actually just the lack of universal background checks. In which case, I agree with you. If it wasn’t for the immense distrust that the gun rights side has for the gun control ide, we might even have it already.
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If can buy over the internet with virtually no regulation. This is your idea of “substantial legislation”? You honestly think that going a step further would be restricting people “too much”? Someone earlier brought up the asinine example of someone getting hit by a car… Yeah, guess what: it’s harder to buy and operate a car than it is to buy and operate an AR-15. And cars have a primary function that isn’t “murdering other human beings”.
I agree with universal background checks.
Heck, even the ACLU thinks its too much. The no fly list is a travesty of due process in a modern democracy. But to use it to truncate constitutional rights is waaay too much.
You can’t buy an M-16 no questions asked and it makes you sound ignorant that you think that you can.
You know who else feels that way about their rights? gun owners.
You drinking?
Guns and cars can be dangerous in the hands of a human mind debilitated by drugs such as alcohol. Are you suggesting guns just get up under their own power and shoot people?
There is a difference between murder and killing people. You can kill people in self defense, you can’t murder them in self defense (unless you are black man in Jim Crow south).
You have to show proficiency at driving.
You have to get your picture taken.
You have to take a written exam.
There are plenty of ways that getting a gun is tougher but these are a few things that gun purchasers don’t have to deal with.
It isn’t, but you’re still not getting it.
You came out with the tried and true, “yeah but what about alcohol,” gambit. I simply pointed out to you that (apart from your desperate attempt to change the subject) you cannot compare the two straight up. Alcohol itself only kills those who abuse it. And hey, you want to drink yourself to death? Let me be the first to toast to your freedom.
Now if we must delve into, “yeah but what about drunk driving,” then fine. No drunk driver ever heads out onto the road with intention of getting into an accident and killing someone, as opposed to shit like what happened in Orlando - that seemed pretty fucking intentional to me. And there isn’t a rational soul who defends drunk driving, even though not every drunk driver hurts someone. And we tend to tighten down those drunk driving laws to try to actually try to do something about drunk driving deaths.
But when someone says that we must do something about gun deaths, the only thing I ever hear is, “Ya’ll ain’t grabbin’ my gun, ya liberal pussy!”
As much as you’re suggesting that alcohol can drive a car.
Hey gun control advocates, here’s a fine example for you. Elvis Lives is one of you. he exemplifies your retarded idiotic stupid ignorant stance. he thinks what you do. He shares the idea that you should do something, ANYTHING… any time he hears about someone getting shot in the news. Except unlike you cowards, he has the courage to say it.
The second amendment in this country DEPENDS on the first amendment. Bundy ranchers aside, I can’t think of a time when the second amendment preserved any of the other constitutional rights but the first amendment has been preserving the right to bear arms since as far back as I can remember.
Pro-gun folks are not all back counry, bible thumping gay bashers. And the ones that are bible thumping, back country gay bashers are probably at least a little conflicted about how to feel about islamic terrorists attacking our gay community.
So how does that diminish the damage they did without guns?
Well, one little quibble. its not an assault rifle. Its probably an assault weapon. The confusion is understandable because it is intentional. They intentionally used the term “assault weapon” to get you think this it was like an assault rifle when its really just a rifle with modern accessories.
The Sandy Hook massacre did have one silver lining. It shamed the conservatives that were attacking teachers as money grubbing, greedy parasites on society that put their selfish avarice ahead of the welfare of the children in their charge. That doesn’t mean we should give the teacher’s union everything it wants but fuck those guys that were demonizing teachers in order to try to break their union.