Selection bias?
The van is always at the corner.
Validated conclusion?
I thought the legitimate explanation for the cops at Dunkin
Donuts phenomenon is that the donut shops were one of the few all-night restaurants in most cities.
The Subway I go to when I’m hungry and too lazy to cook often has cops eating there. Therefore, all cops like healthy sandwiches.
The IHOP I go to sometimes almost always has cops at it. Therefore, all cops loves them some pancakes.
Damn, my second pitting ever. Well, first of all I never said a Batman-like figure would solve all of society’s problems, probably not even under most circumstances. I said under the right conditions and in the right city he could turn things around for the better. I mean, if the cops don’t give a shit someone has too, right? Sorry, I think most cops just worry about speeding tickets and pot smoking because look at these Camden statistics:
http://camdennj.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm. These are from 2002 but it still should be relevant.
Take a look, Monty and tell me those cops shouldn’t put the jelly-donunt down and get to work.
Wow, statistics for one whole department? And from that you tar the entire population of police everywhere!
Do you perhaps have any proof that the police in Camden aren’t working? Do you have any proof that they’re not active pursuing those murderers and other lawbreakers? Are you just a moron?
I’ll help you out here. The answer to the last quesiton is “yes.”
Kyle? Are you stupid or just play stupid on a message board? You have provided a series of numbers that indicate that a particular city has a problem with crime. So what? Where are you figures for police street presence? Percentage of police hours devoted to crime prevention or enforcement vs issuance of traffic violations? Support of neighborhood groups vs general antipathy to “government” representatives? What is the level of poverty and joblessness in Camden and how does it rate against other cities with similar poverty and unemployment? How many Camden citizens are males between the ages of 15 and 35 and how do those figures stack up against other similar sized cities with greater or lesser crime problems?
Heck, where is your comparison of cop weight in Camden to the weight of the average criminal?
There is a great old book named How to Lie with Statistics. Your use of numbers would not even rate a paragraph in that book. You are not even lying, just throwing out numbers in the hope that you can dazzle people much smarter than you are with your ability to find some statistics using Google™.
Using your method, I could provide evidence that your silly superheroes are far less effective than the cops. At one bad guy per week per superhero–with each bad guy generally committing four crimes before being caught–they are stopping far less crime than any police force on earth–even the corrupt ones.
tomndebb, you’re right I should have found out more information and I will later but I’m short for time right now. Doesn’t my point stand, though, that Camden is a hellhole and if the police were doing their job it wouldn’t be crime-ridden?
Another point I have is ask Rodney King or the dead people in London or just ask Kitty Genvesehow effective the police are? I don’t blame all cops but the majority of them have to wake up and fast.
I’ll be back later with more and better statistics.
Tomorrow, right?
Unfortunately not because you seem to fail to grasp that an area’s crime rate cannot be blamed completely and entirely upon one group of people’s actions (or lack thereof).
There are many factors leading to a place like Camden becoming crime-ridden, many of which tomndebb touches upon in his post.
It’s a little-known fact that Batman’s utility belt is always stuffed with donuts: he just calls them Toroidal Bat-Nutrition Units.
How? Until you answer the questions regarding police strength vs population and police strength vs the 15 - 35 year old male demographic and the amount of education among the populace and the amount of unemployment among the populace, you have demonstrated only that the police have not been successful without providing any evidence that it is their fault.
There was a lot of crime in New Orleans over the last week, but with most of the police stations under water, all the police communications equipment out of service, most of the police cars out of action, and many of the police in search of their own families (or dead), it would hardly be accurate to say the the crime was the result of police sitting in doughnut shops.
Kitty Genovese? You’re kidding, right? You do know that happened before your parents were born (or soon after) and that the universal condemnation was for the citizens who did not bother to call the police,* not that the police did not bother to come to her aid (since they were never called) and that that happened back in the days when today’s doomsayers like to claim that “back then” the police actually did their jobs?
You truly do like to demonstrate ignorance.
- (The story that 38 people all watched without doing anything was also in error, but you are compounding that by trying to make it a police problem.)
Er, no. I’m fairly certain that you can’t blame the complex problem of crime on one part in the sum. You might have a career in politics if you get better at it though.
Actually the cops in the Rodney King case were effective, just overzealous. :eek: The cops in London got the terrorists, so unless you are avocating some Minority Reportequse pre-crime (in which case you should be funnier, like this guy) that’s crap too. Kitty Genvese? If her neighbors had called the cops she might be alive.
On preview, what tom said.
When come back, bring donuts.
Wow, you bought that shit abot them having healthy sandwiches. Ignorance fought, NOT!
They did? Are you including the ones that were scraped off tunnel walls?
Please pardon the double post. I worked in a police facility in a major urban area. I arrived early for what I was doing because of public transport schedules. I wanted to catch up on the news, and there was a newspaper vending machine in the building that was never filled. I asked about it and the answer was that the cops would pay a quarter and throw the remaining papers on the top to “share” so only one had to pay. The practice was was ingrained, and recognized by the distributor. No papers delivered there. Cops can be just as dishonest as regular folks.
Oh, and at the major public transportation hub I used to get there? There was a Dunkin’ Donuts, the cops swarmed the place.
Were they bad people? No, not really, but not paragons of virtue, either.
I think he meant the Brazilian man that was shot in the head as he was held down bu London’s finest.