Never thought Guin would call me a dumbass. Wow, that kind of stings. Just kidding. I respect you as a poster but I think your missing my point I said a vigilante with morals (I’ll leave out Batman-like since people are throwing fits about it).
Read my second response to Larry about cops being racist. Hmm… KKK are racist and a loy of cops (not all) are racist. Can you see the similarities because I can.
When did I say that cops never abused their power? I don’t understand how you can fail to see that if the police, who operate under legal restraints, can be abusive, then a vigilante operating under no restraints whatsoever will be far, far more abusive.
Who controls the vigilante? To whom does he answer? What sort of punishments can he mete out? What should he do to purse snatchers or pot dealers? If he acts abusively, what sort of Internal affairs board or oversight comittee will call him to account?
By the way, I’m sorry I called you a “fucking moron.” That was crass and rude of me. Even if this is the pit, I don’t like debating that way. I’m tired after a long day, if that’s any excuse. Again, I apologize for that.
I don’t know, maybe because we all live on Earth?
Seriously. You’ve made your point. You’ve been called out. And you have absolutely no evidence to back your point up… and yet you persist.
If you seriously think every police precinct is full of Police Academy dropouts, you need to stop watching so many movies. Or reading comic books.
Poverty in inner cities is the result of corrupt police forces? Where do you even get that conspiracy theory from? And what on Earth (the one we live on, not you) leads you to believe it’s “common knowledge”? Just because you, your best friend Earl, Earl’s little brother Shithead, and your penpal Jehosephat all agree, does not mean it’s “common knowledge”.
Odd that you couldn’t find a link to support your claim. Perhaps because it’s a figment of your malformed imagination.
Sure police corruption exists, but do you honestly believe (I mean honestly. I mean dig on down deep into that peanut brain and actually think) that police corruption has a shit’s spackling of anything to do with poverty?
Perhaps it’s all a vast conspiracy by Dunkin’ Donuts and Krispy Kreme’s illuminati-esque League of Sprinkles to lure cops into their establishments and thus keep the inner cities poor, thereby ensuring a near constant flow of customers who require their tasty yummies at fair prices so that they may one day raise the All-Knowing Creamaster from his thousand year slumber in rural Wisconsin and take over the world so…
Oh, sorry. Think I was drifting off into Kyleland there for a moment…
I’m too lazy to read this whole thread so I’m just gonna paraphraze what my uncle tells me about the donut sterotype. (MY unlce’s a Dallas cop BTW)
“…Hey, if your out and about, right around the same time those donuts drop fresh out of the fryer; YOU might be akin to liking donuts a little bit more yourself. Cuz’ the donuts you get fresh out of the fryer (still hot) and the donuts most of you poor fo’s get; are two COMPLETELY different things…”
At least this is his defence because we (the family) DO tease him about the stereotype.
Also, since he’s been a cop I don’t think he’s paid for a single cup of coffee or a donut in his life.
As to the OP: Get bent! You just insulted about 30% of my entire family.
Thanks for that!
Hey, no problem Larry. I’m sorry I called you an assclown too by the way. You do bring up good points and I admit a vigilante system could fail and probably would but as long as there’s a chance of success I say go for it. Especially, in the state the inner cities are in now. I can speak from an inner city near me which I cited earlier in the thread or maybe it was Monty’s GD thread. I know that’s not a cite but I believe you when you said those cops you know were in shape so please take my word for it.
Alright now to answer your questions:
*Who controls the vigilante? * Well, the vigilante would operate on his own.
To whom does he answer Himself.
What sort of punishments can he mete out? What should he do to purse snatchers or pot dealers? He should only mete out enough punishment to subdue the thug and make sure they’re no longer a threat anything after that is abuse. He should subude the purse snatcher and cuff him for the police and for pot smokers nothing because I think it should be legal and since he would be a champion for the inner city he would let them smoke.
If he acts abusively, what sort of Internal affairs board or oversight comittee will call him to account? The public would if he was so psychotic and out of control or I’m sure he would find himself in police custody. To be a good vigilante you need to be calm and focused. Just like with good cops, I would imagine.
The crazier you are the easier it is to get caught.
I cursed at you? When and where?
I await actual proof of the assertion that many police officers are physically unfit to do their job.
soulmurk, oh now your playing the loser card. I knew it was coming. I was actually popular in high school and I have a lot of friends I know you won’t believe it but it’s true.
I also said police corruption is one of the factors not THE factor. If you don’t think it at least contributes to suffering in inner cities than your the delusional one.
Okay, than I’m sorry Monty. My mistake. As for your cite? My hometwon, the inner city surrounding it. I don’t have a cite but you know a lot of cops are overweight, come on.
Actually, being balls-to-the-wall, head-orbiting-Jupiter crazy sometimes makes it harder to get caught because it baffles profilers. A lot of seriously crazy, disorganized killers only have certain murders attributed to them after they’ve been caught and confess.
Don’t see how I called you a loser, but okay.
If you feel my referencing that you watch too many movies or read comic books makes you a loser, that isn’t the case. I know many people who enjoy both and I wouldn’t call any of them losers. My assertation was that you are delusional, and that perhaps you’re being improperly influenced by your exposure to fiction.
Still waiting on that cite.
Police corruption affects inner cities as much as it affects any other part of the city so I see no bearing on how it could propagate poverty, especially in one area over another.
I’m sorry I don’t have a cite but if police corruption is a crime than why is it hard to believe it adds to the crime already in place? Remember, I said it’s not the only cause but it is a cause since it is a crime. It’s even worse though because it’s authority figures taking part in crime.
Originally your claim was that police corruption was a cause of poverty in the inner cities and I see no connection at all, and your lack of cite-age doesn’t do much to help your point.
Of course criminal acts contribute to crime… they’re criminal.
I believe the entire reason this thread was even created was that you were making horrifically stereotypical statements about police that have no truth except in fictionalized accounts of reality.
I don’t pretend to be able to alter your perception, no one can do that but you, but you seriously need to rethink your assessments about such things. Do some research. Hell, do an image search on google if you have to.
That all cops (or even most) are fat, lazy, doughnut swilling, corrupt people is an empty stereotype. Stereotypes do tend to have a start in reality, so of course those people are out there, but you need to get your head out of your ass and actually look for yourself instead of believing what you see on TV.
I did? I thought I always stated it was one of the causes. What heightens the importance of their disastrous effect on inner cities is that they’re supposed to be the protectors of society. I always said I was talking about experience and not TV so I’m coming at you from my personal accounts of police behaivor in an inner city right next to my town.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you “My ignorance is my cite.”
Me not know. Why you olny one thing that possbile?
Seriously, put down the comics and back away slowly. Batman is a fantasy, a wish-fulfilment for every kid who’s been pushed around at school and thinks ‘Wouldn’t it be cool if I was this, like, totally bad vigilante who walks his own dark path and answers to no-one? With, like, really cool equipment and a hot car? Then I’d show those bullies!’
One of many; however, I’ll accept your apology on that one.
Then I suggest you apply the scientific method to the issue: do the research first, then develop the hypothesis.
Mind-reading, especially when you fail at it, is not a citation either.
Kyle Rayner1, you’re living in a fantasy land. This is not your Batman comic, this is the real world. A lone man with a penchant for dealing justice cannot realistically fight crime on any scale. Also, I can’t believe I’m actually having to say this, but not all cops are fat, corrupt, and racist. Heck, I’d hazard a guess that the average cop is in better shape than the average citizen and probably in better shape than you are. Most of the cops I run into are ripped.
Can you even comprehend the problems that would arise from allowing renegades that answer to no one but themselves and follow no rules of conduct to operate freely above the law?
The first and most obvious point that comes to mind is that you’d have abuse – namely undeserved punishments and killings. What happens when the vigilante beats a suspected criminal a little too hard and kills him? What happens when he beats an innocent person? What happens when he decides to start taking some of his victim’s money to help put gas in the old Batmobile? This is just begging for corruption on a mass scale.
The second is that you’d have no control mechanism in place to reign in unruly vigilantes. I would not be comfortable with this individual having no oversight of any kind other than “public opinion.” What the hell does that mean anyway? If an individual goes to such great lengths as to actually become a Batman, do you think public perception will dissuade him from his mission? And what if Batman goes crazy or violates the law in his thirst for justice… do we simply send the police after him? Creating more crime and wasting the police’s time in the process?
The third is that a lone man cannot act as judge, jury, and executioner for the very fact that he is fallible. I would not be comfortable placing my fate in the hands of a lone and crazed, justice-seeking freak. I don’t care how concrete your moral code is – you’re very likely to be wrong at some point and probably without even realizing it. Even Batman can be wrong. I’d rather have a system with checks and balances in place decide my fate. No, the system isn’t perfect, but I’d take it any day over an individual lunatic’s idea of justice.
Do you see how crazy this is or shall I continue?
Well, I, for one, have wondered how he managed to get the thing gassed up on his forays outside the Bat Cave.
What happens when real life criminals take a leaf out of comic books? Will we have to bui;d a real life Arkham Asylum to hold all the evil geniues (possibly with super powers) and their mad schemes for World Domianation? Would only real life playboy billionaires with English butlers be eligble for the non-dougnut-eating compass-wielding vigilante gig?
These are hard, real life, questions that must be answered.
That would be the Zodiac Killer, Alex. Then the cops catch him. True, if a real life vigilante found him and killed him the problem would end, but we would have a bigger problem on our hands.