I am not sure it is political correctness to consider how a comment will be interpreted. I think it is a matter of common civility. I kind of age with you here that the difference would be a major one, but I don’t see avoiding the juxtaposition of homosexuality and pedophilia as being an example of political correctness at all.
And I do agree with you on your last point. I personally don’t care if homosexualty/heterosexuality is genetic, chosen, or determined by dice rolls. It does make a difference for legal analysis in the US though, and that is why there is probably more focus on it over here.
It says 27% on record, which means that it is not a full accounting and is largely reliant on self reporting. It also doesn’t include other types of trauma and abuse.
I think the point people are trying to make is that you were wrong to state that pedophilia was caused by enviromental issues as if it were established fact. Which, clearly, it is not.
One case means nothing. A brain tumor caused Charles Whitman to climb a tower and kill thirty people with a sniper rifle. That does not represent an argument that spree killing has an organic cause.
Bullshit you said 100% of pedophilia is caused by childhood trauma. Here is a case in which pedophilia is not caused by childhood trauma therefore you are wrong when you claim that 100% of pedophilia is caused by childhood trauma.
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I only said there was a correlation.
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Fraid not:
How can there not be a 100% correlation if pedophilia is caused by early childhood trauma.
By the way you haven’t defined what you consider to be childhood trauma. It can reasonably said that every child has at some point endured trauma in their childhood.
How can there not be a 100% correlation if pedophilia is caused by early childhood trauma.
By the way you haven’t defined what you consider to be childhood trauma. It can reasonably said that every child has at some point endured trauma in their childhood.
That was certainly not your original position, and considering the length of this thread, many people might have missed the part where you modified your that position. Perhaps a restatement of premises would aid further debate.
Notice that he said it was ‘fair’ to say that people are born pedophiliac’s also notice that he said he ‘thinks’ its not a choice not ‘is’ not a choice. The OP was expressing his opinion about the cause of pedophilia.
Lets look at what you said.
Notice how you said that Pedophilia IS created by early childhood trauma. This is not an opinion rather a fact you are asserting. When you were asked for a cite for this fact you pull out the ‘my post is my cite’ nonsense and then proceed on a 4 page diatrabe insulting everyone who dared question this fact.
Lets rehash the difference:
PaulFitzroy postulated a perfectly reasonable cause of pedophilia as his opinion.
You stated a fact, refused to provide a cite and then acted like a complete jackass to anyone with a differing opinion.
Even in asking this question you lie again.
Noone stated as a fact that pedophilia is caused by genetics. Numerous posters have provided cites which gave evidence that challenged genetics as the sole cause.
Childhood trauma can manifest as physical or sexual abuse, neglect or abandonment or exposure to violence against others.
The OP said “it is fair to say” something that it is not fair to say.
No one has provided any compelling evidence that pedophilia is inborn. We have seen cite of differences in brain chemistry but those difference were not correlated 100% and could not be atrributed as correlating to specific paraphilias rather than other disorders such as anxiety.
Ok so then it is your assertion that pedophilia is only caused by physical or sexual abuse, neglect or abandonment or exposure to violence against others in childhood.
Saying that someones sexual attraction whether it be towards people of the same sex, the other sex, or children is determined prior to birth is a fair hypothesis to make. I don’t understand why the statement that sexual preference is determined prior to birth except if the person is attracted to children is a more fair statement than the OP’s.
No one has provided any compelling evidence that pedophillia is caused by childhood trauma, nor has there been evidence provided that pedophillia is correlated to near 100% with childhood trauma.
Possibly because, while both his statement and yours are as of yet equally unproved, you very quickly went off on a four-page screaming-meemie fit insisting he was insulting people and that your position was the correct one, and he didn’t. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Your apology last night to the OP was classy. Your continued insistence that people provide cites to support or disprove YOUR assertion is not. No one has found your mystery study that shows a near 100% correlation (not causation) between childhood trauma and pedophilia. Why don’t you go dig that up? Your entire argument in this thread is based on that elusive statistic. All we have is your word that you heard it in class once.
You know what a teacher told me in class once? That before Columbus sailed to America, everybody thought the world was flat. Never mind that there was a lot of history written elsewhere that indicates people knew it was round long before then; it doesn’t matter, I heard it in class, so fuck you, it’s a fact.