LAndscaping dopers - what to do with all this clay?

I bought a former rental house, and the backyard was neglected for years. There’s a ‘lawn’, and a bunch of trees that are a mess. Before I try and redo everything, I’m stuck with the problem of the native soil.

From the top on down several feet, at least, the ground is silty clay. Not a pebble or grain of sand in it. When it rains it doesn’t drain, and unless you’re stepping where the lawn is you sink into it and it sticks to your feet. Tree roots from all the trees are all along the surface or just below it, and they’re everywhere. I’m finding roots 20 feet from trees just under the surface.

I need to regrade the yard and add drains to get the water out of the yard, but I have no idea what is the best way to deal with all this clay. A landscaper who removed some bad concrete mentioned he could shave off several inches of dirt, stripping away a layer of clay and the roots, and I could then add better soil and mix it in to get something better than what’s there.

If I strip off several inches of clay and add soil, will I just end up floating off the top soil layer? Will mixing in new soil with make a whole lot of difference? I’ll still have a clay layer several inches below at least, so will tree roots still want to skim across the surface? Will it still be a potential bad ponding issue?

Tried the internet, but everything was focused on garden planting beds, not the entire yard. What’s my best option here?

If you take out all the surface tree roots, you’ll probably kill the trees. If you plan to do that, I’d just take them down at the same time.

I suppose adding sand and organic matter isn’t feasible on this scale?

The trees are going to go next year, so I’m not worried about them. They’re along a fenceline which will preserve most of their roots so they don’t fall down until I get to them for good.

My plan, if I proceed with removal of the upper few inches, was to add sand/organics/no idea what’s best, rototill the whole mess in, and hopefully have 6-8 inch depth of something approaching normal soil. Before spending a bunch of money in that direction, I’d like to know what the best thing to do is.

Since the OP is looking for advice, let’s move this to IMHO.

Colibri
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This article gives good advice. What works for a garden bed will work for a new lawn.

It mentions adding amendments, organic compost, sand, gypsum.

I’d be inclined to buy earthworms and introduce into the soil. Make sure there’s plenty of composted material for them to eat. This would be the last step, AFTER tilling. Gently rake them in.

There’s different Worms for different jobs. I know from personal experience that worms are very effective in improving soil. They are cheap and worth trying. Imho

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So, this was discussed on a fruit-growers mailing list I’m on a few years ago, in the context of someone wanting to grow raspberries on heavy clay. The consensus was that adding a lot of organic matter (either rototilled in, or on top) was better than adding sand, because there’s a risk that if you add stand you will create concrete.

One guy rototilled a 3’x30’ area, adding 4-8 cubic feet of peet moss and half a yard of prepared compost mix.

Another guy covered his clay with “a layer of leaves and grass clippings, covered with 4” or so of wood chips". He also recommended adding some gypsum to improve the tilth if the soil. “Get the biology going and let it do the heavy lifting”.

But both wanted to grow crops, not a lawn.

The OP will need a serious, heavy duty tiller to break up that clay. I’d want to go at least 8 to 12 inches deep.

Add the organic material. Peat moss and manure are great.

A good garden center will have live, bulk compost. You’ll feel heat coming off the pile.

I spread a truck load over my yard before sodding.

I do organic lawn care/soil care. My take: Adding sand is largely worthless. To make compacted clay soil usable, add organic matter and lots of it. Adding a very healthy dose of gypsum will also loosen it up (you could do 40-50#/1000sf).

But organic matter, by way of top-dressing with compost, will do wonders. And gypsum. Just don’t do sand.

(Adding big rock matter (sand) to very small rock matter (clay) doesn’t give you medium-sized rock matter (silt)).

Compost. Compost, compost, compost. (Not made from sewage sludge, which may contain heavy metals and/or pharmaceuticals.)

No sense adding worms until there’s something there for them to eat. And if you are adding earthworms, make sure you’re adding the right ones for your area. If you’re in the USA, check with your county Extension office.

Use finished compost, not the hot stuff, if you want to seed right away or soon. Compost that’s still working may kill the seed.

If you till, make sure the soil’s dry enough. Tilling clay when it’s wet is a bad idea.

ETA: get a soil test. You may, or may not, need lime or other amendments; but adding it if you don’t need it is also a bad idea.

I wasn’t sure about the sand either. That article mentions it, but I haven’t tried sand before.

I love the bulk compost available here. It’s similar to the home compost people make. It’s warm too the touch, a big pile puts off noticable heat from the composting. The worms I introduced seemed to like it. I tried giving them plenty to eat with the other amendments.

I didn’t use seed. I bought sod. Put it down myself.

Got a test kit from Home Depot. Very low in nitrogen, medium on potassium and phosphorous, ph about 6.5.

I’ve been finding worms when I’ve dug, so they’re chewing on something in there. Possibly the weeds that qualify as the lawn.

Feel bad about the warnings about adding sand. At the house I sold with the same problem, I did just that. Sorry new owners! :frowning:

Difficulty in tilling will be when this stuff is dry, it’s very hard. Going to need a good one to plow through this stuff.

So out of curiosity, if I go about adding all that stuff to the soil and till it in, do I co compacting it to a workable level, or leave it fluffy? If I leave it fluffy the yard won’t drain.

Your soil will compact quickly after a good rain.

Are you planning to sod with the squares? Or sod rolls?

I’ve been told the rolls are quicker. But they are heavy. A helper would save your back. At 35 lbs a roll you got to be very careful.

I used the squares. Still a lot of lifting but a little at a time. :wink:

Either way, you need to rent a lawn roller. It’ll help level the sod, and press it into the dirt.

It’ll compact after a good watering. Don’t walk on it until it dries.

If you compact a heavy clay soil, it certainly won’t drain. Compacted clay is hardpan, and pretty close to a clay pot: it impedes both water flow and root growth. Fluffy soils do drain, they’ve got air spaces in them which allow water to flow through when it’s wet.

The sod probably does need to be tamped down, to some extent, so the roots make good contact with the soil below. Not more than that.

I’m not sure what tool one uses on a lawn-sized scale, but using something to rip holes through what’s probably some existing hardpan is a good idea. On acreage you’d use a chisel plow, or maybe a spader if the hardpan’s near the surface. Maybe just some sort of lawn aerator tool would work on a lawn; though I don’t know whether they go deep enough. Roots will work their way through hardpan with time, but some plants are much better at it than others. I don’t know about lawn grass. Again, if you’re in the USA talk to your county cooperative extension office about what they’d recommend.

Where I live the soil is basically clay and I bought the house new. The backyard came graded with sand with St Augustine sod installed over it. The St Augustine grows well like this.

The first step I did was to install heavy duty drains - not the cheap black flexible pipes but 4 inch PVC pipes with holes bored in it (available at Home Depot)

Next I like growing fruits and fragrant plants. So trees that can withstand the climate (zone 9) went on raised beds (beds raised at least a foot above the ground). I used potting soil and then mulched them over. Trees that cannot withstand the climate (Tropical trees) went in large whiskey barrel pots that can moved to the garage over winter.

It really depends on what you want to grow. If it is just grass, then level and grade with sand - install good drainage system, put down the sod and you are all set.

If you want to grow trees/plants : either buy plants that can withstand occasional water pooling at their roots or use raised beds.