Left Behind- the travesy continues...

So, after a lengthy (almost two year) hiatus, I have resumed my reading of the Left Behind series so y’all won’t have to. See, I had just gotten “The Mark” at deep discount in hardcover, and I really don’t like paying hardcover price for most books, so I wanted to wait for the next one to come out in paperback, then there were job problems, no money to buy books and I like to own rather than borrow my reading material- fortunately, if in good condition, the LB series fetches a good price at use book stores.

Anyhoo, just got done reading “Desecration.” Nicolae Carpathia (a/k/a The Antichrist) has officially made the transition from interesting, suave, debonair evil world leader to cartoon villian. And the subtle jabs at the Catholic Church continue, as expected.

Carpathia early on in the book rides a pig down the Via Dolorosa, skipping a few stations of the cross because he “knows for a fact” that Jesus never stopped there. This is an obvious statement on the authors’ part that “if it ain’t recorded in the Bible, it didn’t happen”. Since a few of the stations are “only” handed down through tradition, they are not legit. Later, Carpathia slaughters the pig as a sacrifice to himself, just after committing a murder, in the Holy of Holies in the newly rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem.

On a more positive note, after seeing a vision of the Archangel Michael, (whose guest appearance I particularly resent, him being my patron saint and all) Hattie Durham, the most annoying character in the series, publicly calls Carpathia a blasphemer and is toasted on the spot by World Religion Leader Guy Leon Fortunato, who has powers, but only in the presence of the Antichrist.

Chaim Rosenswieg gathers her ashes into an urn for later proper scattering, then leads all the believing Jews out of Jerusalem, Moses style, to a place of safety. He gives another little swipe at the Catholic faith when he says “We don’t worship the relics of saints, but I’m going to scatter these later”. OK, that was severely paraphrased, but it still lends credence to the misconception that Catholics pray to the body parts of our revered and departed saints.

Later, Carpathial’s army, sent to exterminate the believers, is swallowed up by the earth. Yay, God.

Of course, the series’ innate sexixm crops up. Women are still consigned to extremely peripheral roles, and when they do get anything important to do, they bollix it up, endangering the entire Tribulation Force. Chloe Steele Williams, daughter of main character and Trib Force honcho Rayford Steele and wife of Buck Williams (doncha just love the action hero names?) is the head of the international co-op that believers use to trade goods and services, thus staying out of the Global Communitie’s financial system, but there is no detail given on how she put it together. It just says she did. Clearly the co-op exists solely so the authors can say, “See, we put women in important roles”, but there is nothing about the co-op, the problems encountered in acquiring said goods and services- anything really major the Trib Force needs is acquired by the men. And in the meantime, Chloe whines incessantly that she never gets to go on any of the really cool missions, never mind that she has a co-op to run, a baby to take care of, and oh, yeah, she has put the entire Trib Force in danger by going out at night to investigate a mysterious light in the supposedly nuked city of Chicago. Which leads her to another small group of believers.

Of course, the writing is still overwrought, with far too many adjectives (you could probably shorten the series by at least one book just by taking out the unnecessary adjectives), lots of exclamation points where a period would suffice, and the characters talk like characters in a preachy, poorly written “Christian” novel instead of like actual people.

Anyhoo, that’s my update. I plan on reading “The Remnant” next week.

Why are you doing this to yourself? Is it a kind of self-flagellatoin thing?

Don’t crucify yourself like this for us! We aren’t worthy!

snicker

It’s more of an acedemic exercise. I was curious about the books, someone said they were good, and I decided to give it a try. Also, there are plenty of people who are curious about the plot, is there an actual story being told or is the series just a framework for a particular stripe of religious propaganda (half the dialogue consists of quotiong Scriptures) whether the books are well written or… NOT, etc, but don’t really want to take the time to read them. I’m basically making the sacrifice to be able to keep my fellow Dopers who may be curious filled in withouth them having to be subjected to the agony of reading them.

Also, I do have an appetite for both bad movies and bad pulp fiction, so my brain is a little more tolerant of this kind of tripe than most.

Travesy?

Tribulation Force? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard/read.

I did the same thing with L. Ron Hubbard’s “Mission Earth” series. Short version: don’t read it. Long version would have to go in the Pit.

Thea, after seeing a couple of other threads lately on “Left Behind” I was wondering if you had abandoned your mission. I remember when you used to tell us about the earlier books, and rip apart the plot and dialogue.

Baker, nope, didn’t abandon the mission, just took a sabbatical while I waited for the next book to come out, then other problems got in the way and I just didn’t have the time and/or money to expend. But it looks like you won’t be hearing too much more for a while, since the series is only out up to book ten in paperback, and they seem to come out several months, if not a year, apart.

I can’t believe it takes two guys that long to write this kind of crap. I mean, there really isn’t a plot to develop, since the story is based on a literalistic interpretation of the book of Revelation, which means that it’s built on a two-thousand year old outline. I can just picture St. John beating his head against the jaspar walls of the eternal city…

Anyhoo, I’m willing to take questions on the story so far (bearing in mind that I sold all the earlier books when I got desparate for cash, so I’m working with some rather sketchy memories… but I have “Desecration” on hand, so if we concentrate on that…)

But does the baby Jesus cry?

I quit reading with The Mark, as the writing had just gotten terrible.

Thea is dead-on with the little swipes at the Catholic Church. The authors tend to be friendly in them, if you can believe that: they point out the travesty of Carpathia desecrating the Vatican, referring to it as a great center of Christianity or somesuch. But yeah; as I recall, Carpathia even established an anti-Pope in the 2nd book, and did have the old Pope raptured only because he was more liberal than the traditional magisterium. :rolleyes:

Do it! I read the whole thing and I believe I deserve seeing it being dimembered and satirized to death in detail.

Actually, the old Pope was planning to institute Lutheran-style “reforms” into the Catholic Church, so it went beyond him being “liberal”. He was, for all intents and purposes, no longer Catholic. The new pope became the head of the Global Community Church, which, prior to the apparent death and resurrection of Carpathia, had a point of having no particular creed- it was sort of an Uber-Unitarianism.

The books make a point of showing the “vestments” of both the anti-Pope (who was murdered in, I think, book three of four and replaced by Leon Fortunato as the head of the Global Community Church) as being clownish and comical. Another swipe at Catholicism, btw. Most fundamentalist Protestants make a big deal about the vestments of the priests, how they dress differently from the “common folks” to set themselves above us and all.

All the major characters are still white males, of course. There are a couple of Arab characters, both pilots (the Trib Force does a lot of globe-trotting). They are actually quite intelligent and capable, but there is a lot of humor derived from their lack of understanding of American/English idioms, and the American characters spend a lot of time teasing them about their ethnicity. So, basically Arabs are comic relief.

The Tribulation Force’s spiritual head is, of course, a Messianic Jew, a prominent rabbi who converted shortly after the Rapture, and the Moses guy is another converted Jew who “assassinated” Carpathia a couple of books back so he could be resurrected and claim to be God.

Oh, by the way, those who took the “mark of the Beast” were all afflicted with boils for a while, but then got better after Carpathial agreed to let all the believing Jews out of Jerusalem. There was a whole “tell the Pharoah to let my people go” thing before the Exodus- nonbelieving Orthodox Jews who refuse to follow Carpathia are currently holed up under God’s protection at Masada. :rolleyes: When Carpathia rescinded on his agreement and tried to attack the believers before they got out of Jerusalem, Moses Guy prayed to God and turned the oceans to blood, with predictably messy results. Of course, all the believers have fresh water coming out of the rocks at Petra, along with manna from heaven, and quails flying into the ancient city and conveniently dropping dead to provide meat.

Oh, yeah, and just as Carpathia’s forces were about to try and exterminate the believing Jews at Petra, Micheal the Archangel appeared to them and gave a rousing and encouraging speech that consisted entirely of quotations from the Old Testament. You’d think an angel could do more speechwise than just quote the Bible, but then, that was all the Two Witnesses could do.

Oh, and Res, the reason the writing has gotten so bad (not that it was really that good to begin with) is that the series was originally conceived of as a trilogy, but when the books started selling like nude pics of James Marsters at a BtVS convention, it was expanded to seven books, then to twelve. So, basically, a lot of what I’m reading is filler.

“Desecration” is book nine, so there are only three more to go. Let’s hope they don’t decide to expand it again."

OK, my first question has already been answered. I was wondering, what with the swipes at the Catholics, if any had been Raptured. So they have. But what does the anti-Christ say happened to all the folks who disappeared?

Baker, the Antichrist doesn’t really have much in the way of an explanation of what happened to those raptured- there are assorted pseudo-scientific theories, though. There is, however, a less than subtle implication that the Antichrist thinks the world is a better place without all those pesky Christians running around. Also, the Rapture takes place before the Antichrist is elected Secretary General of the UN (Supreme Potentate of the Global Community comes much later) so there is really no need for Carpathia to explain the disappearances.

Tacking on: there’s a bs theory about how 50 years of nuclear testing have somehow charged Earth’s atmosphere to the point of causing random disappearances. It’s pure coincidence that a lot of the vanished were Christian.

Any suggestions for how I should use my Left Behind DVD? A drink coaster, perhaps? (It’s the best combination of poor writing and poor marketing I’ve seen in a film.)

I’m thinkin’ frisbee.

Actually, I think I did once upon a time, when I’d just finished reading it. It’s probably long dead and buried by now.

Wait, were any Catholics raptured? I don’t remember any specifically, and with all those anti-Catholic swipes, I can’t imagine them painting Catholics so positively (for them – after all, it’s the ones who believe properly who are raptured).

Also, are Chang and his family major enough to be called major characters? If so, there’s a token Asian family in there.

Lel…catholics aren’t christian.
They are Papist.
:smiley:

Thea, thank you for falling on the grenade and reading this. It will help me in my battles against ignorance with the Left Behind zealots without any effort on my part.
You rock.