**You have missed the whole point of my post. The term “nationalism” was never used, unlike the term “civil rights.” **
Then what else are the Palestinians fighting for? It isn’t universal liberation or they wouldn’t take money from Saddam Hussein and support Hamas and Islamic Jihad. They certainly wouldn’t walk to the nearest supermarket and blow up little kids in the produce aisle. I certainly don’t see massive Palestinian demonstrations in favor of the Tibetans or Basques. They’re fighting for the establishment of a Palestinian state. That’s nationalism. What the heck else would you call it?
**Is anyone- even on the Left- really ignoring Hamas or al-Aqsa terrorism? Even the “liberal” media (excepting 1 or 2 extreme left-wing pub.s) dwell at great length on Wahabism/radical Islam, but universally ignores ultra-Orthodox denunciation of “Canaanites” who must be driven from Israel. **
In the Arab-Muslim world, the UN and the European media they most certainly ARE ignoring Hamas. Al Jazeera certainly isn’t presenting Israel in very positive way. The Ultra Orthodox you speak about aren’t mainstream Israelis or Jews. The Wahabist are mainstream Arab-Muslims.
Both sides have done very bad things. But you’ve created a false dichotomy where you’re either pro-Israel/anti-Palestine or vice versa. Still don’t get it?
No you seem be the one doing that. I’ve stated that I support a Palestinian state that would be multicultural and Democratic. How is that anti-Palestinian?
TERRORISM BY A MINORITY OF PALESTINIANS DOES NOT CANCEL OUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF the ENTIRE POPULATION.
BUT THE ENTIRE POPULATION SUPPORTS THE TERRORISM! ALL PALESTINIAN LEADERS SUPPORT IT! THERE ARE STREETS NAMED AFTER TERRORISTS IN THE WEST BANK AND PEOPLE WHO COMMITT HOMICIDE BOMBERS ARE LAUDED AS HEROES BY THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!
Yes, Wahabism is bad news, but that’s not what the book (or my post) is about.
Wahabism funds the Palestinians. Wahabism promotes anti-Semitism worldwide. The Wahabists do not have dozens of UN resolutions against them. They are widely accepted in the Arab-Muslim world and are a far bigger threat to world peace than the West Bank situation.
The map you present says one thing but the Barak himself says another. I am inclined to believe Barak.
Israel has absolutely no right to any of the West Bank, it dispossesed huge numbers of Palestinians in 1948 and in 2000 it demanded more Palestinian territory, hardly fair.
Israel has a right to secure borders. The huge number of Palestinians you speak of were matched by an equal number of Jews in Arab states. None of the Arabs dispossessed in 1948 (they weren’t Palestinians then because the term hadn’t been coined) would still be refugees if other Arab states had granted them citizenship. Had the Arab world accepted their fellow Arabs or the state offered to them in 1948 there would be peace in the region right now.
As for your ignorance, of course you knew that nearly all US aid to Palestine goes to NGOs? The money that Araft has is PLO money from Arab countries and members of the Palestinian disapora and again he hardly lives in obscene luxury, his headquarters in Ramallah were is confined a sa virtual prisoner is still crumbilng from when Israeli bulldozers attacked it.
The US has accepted thousands of refugees from the West Bank. The Saudis and the rest of the world have given the Palestinians millions in aid. While Yassir Arafat may be living in Ramallah instead of the jail he belongs in, his wife sits on her ass in Paris and wishes for a son so he go blow up Israelis. Forbes Magazine named him to their richest men list. Are they “ignorant” too?
You say Arafta doesn’t want peace, but what about the deal negoitated between the Israeli oppositon and a key Arafat aide just a couple of weeks ago? You seem to blame Arafat for everything and ignore the fact that 1 in every a hundred Palestinians has been killed or wounded by the Israelis.
Arafat says one thing to Western audiences and another to the Palestinians. He has made his intentions quite clear. And nowhere did I state that I blame Arafat for everything. But I do think – and so does President Clinton – that he was to blame for the failure of the 2000 talks. Is Clinton ignorant? One offer by an aide does not negate everything that went before with him. The Palestinians themselves have repeatedly stated they don’t think Israel should exist.
You bang on about a Palestinian islamic fundmenta;ist stat yet the express goals of the PLO and the majority of the Palestinians is a secular state. yes most Palestinians would like their land back, but if they’re not even allowed to desire this where does thta leave the ideals of Ziopnism. In the seventies the PLO taled back there demands only to the pre-1967 borders.
The Palestinians support Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Do you really think the goal of those organizations is a secular state? And as I’ve pointed out in a poll, the Palestinians definition of state is the entire area.
The settlemnts must be removed as part of any peace deal as they are both legally and morally bankrupt and a racist enterprise.
So the West Bank should have no Jews living there? Isn’t that racist?
You say that there is no-body of self-crticism yet there is no general support for Hamas or Islamic Jihad, but you must rmeber that these groups only appeared after decades of occupation to ignore this is just plain stupid.
Critics are often thrown in jail as Israeli collaborators. The Palestinians have repeatedly staged huge marches in support of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. How can you deny this? It is stupid to pretend that the majority of Palestinians don’t support them. They do.
The goal of the Muslim world is to see the destruction of Israel by any means necessary. It has nothing to do with Palestinian welfare or the Palestinians would have been treated far better by their neighbors.
Also you cannot seriously say that Jewish refugees from Arab countries retroactively justifies Israel’s ethnic cleansing in 1948 and it is also dishonest to claim that there are comparable numbers as many left simply becasue they wanted to live in israel, though that is not to deny that there were explusions and a prevailing hostile atmosphere that cause many to flee.
The problem is that most of Israel’s critics are Arab countries and they’ve generally treated Jews like crap. It’s absurd for the Arab countries to criticize Israel when many Jews live there because they had no place else to go. The Arabs in the West Bank would not have been in danger in the first place had Israel not been attacked in 1948.