You did note that the “reservations” in question in this article were in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon … right? And that the Palestinians were trying to “leave” into Israel, across the border?
I agree that when we criticize Israel we have to bear in mind there is some dry anti-semetic powder that is waiting for a spark to ignite it. But we similarly can’t give israel a pass on obviously offensive behaviour.
Wildly condemning? BTW, where is the “whole bunch” that are doping that right now? I saw one cite to Germany doing it sometime in the past. Israel is doing it right now.
I am happy to have enlightened you. This is not the first time this has been mentioned. I have had extensive debates with Finn regarding his justification for this practice.
Are you sure you’re not at least related to Finn, maybe you went to teh same school of debate? Your method of argument is really similar. You are latching onto a really inconsequential point and trying to make hay out of it and reading all sorts of things into the stuff other people say. the similarity is uncanny.
So what about that citizenship law that you were SOOOOO sure didn’t exist? Does the fact that this escpaed you mean we can’t take you seriously on the issue of israel? Because, obviously being wrong about something like that discredits you forevermore… amirite?
So if an Israeli marries a Lebanese and has a child in lebanon, then that child will be denied citizenship and be removed from the country at age 12 while the child of a Lebanese parent and a non Israeli parent will be eligible for citizenship?
Cite please, because this is all I could find and Lebanese natinality laws seem sexist but does not seem to target the children of Israeli parents versus Turkish parents.
Did you read the whole article? I thought there was a transition rule taht applied the new law to anyone that would have been eligible under the new law as long as they file for citizenship by a certain date.
I stand by my position taht wikipedia creates a rebuttable presumption. I can use it as a cite and unless you can prove it wrong, its good.
No, I think you are going to great pains to make excuses for Israel’s behaviour.
I understand the issue of communes who only want jewish neighbors. And while this is not analogous to white couthern communities who wanted to keep out blacks with restrictive covenants, from an American perspective, its seems discriminatory but I can see the distinction between a communal jewish setting and restricitive covenants used by racists to keep their neighborhood white. However we are not talking SOLELY about communes or kibbutzes, we are talking about much broader restrictions.
I particularly see a retarded cousin of tu quoque by saying, why are you so bothered by israel and not devoting your attention to shit going on in some neighboring arab country (or germany) where they do stuff that is just as bad or worse. Its not even “you too” its “well, what about that guy over there?”
It’s still a valid question to ask. Why do all these people, who have no personal connection whatsoever to anything that goes on in Palestine, make an issue over Israel, as opposed to the many other countries also doing objectionable things? Why Israel? Is it really just because Israel supposedly has defenders in the US and because “the Jews should know better?”
They would be eligible by virtue of their marriage (and some residency requirement) but they would be eligible. Not true for the Palestinian spouse of an Israeli citizen, that spouse would never be able to get citizenship under the current law.
If you are born to an Israeli citizen unless your other parent is a Palestinian. This rule only extends for one generation for children born outside of Israel but it applies evenly to all Israeli citizens unless they marry a palestinian.
WTF are you talking about. Half a dozen poster claimed that this law doesn’t exist and now, instead of just saying “oh shit, I didn’t know that” people are saying well, thats not taht bad and besides Lebanon does worse without providing any evidence that Lebanon actually does anything like this.
When someone gets technical with the whole “well jews aren’t a race” on either side of teh argument, they are frequently avoiding an issue.
They do not have that option if one of their parents were palestinian.
You said:"If you’re talking about the occupied territories your statement makes little sense because those Palestinians very much do not consider themselves residents of Israel and have no interest in being Israeli citizens. "
If that is the case, then why the fuck would Isael care about a right of return if these Palestinians have no interest in becoming israeli citizens? Perhaps I should have been more obvious.
Yes, I contend again that there is something about Israel specifically that gets people riled up to the point of having endless pages after pages and threads that go on forever, repeated over and over. There has to be something. Why don’t we ever have discussions this involved and this heated about goings-on in any other country?
WTF are you talking about. Where have you proven what you claim? If you are a Palestinian and you marry an Israeli, you cannot apply for citizenship based on your marriage (unlike anyone else in the world) and if you are born in Israel and one of your paretns are palestinian, you cannot gain citizenship by virte of being born in Israel unlike any other baby born in israel. How much more explicit does it get?
I see this as an attempt to suppress the growth rate of the arab Israeli population. The basis of the law is not virulently racist, it is demographic and discriminatory attempt to maintain the Jewish nature of Israel.
Damuri I never made any claims about the Citizens law you claim I was “soooooo sure didn’t exist.”
I can’t tell you to stop lying about me due to board rules so I’ll ask you to stop making factually incorrect statements about me, and if you insist on continuing to do so, please work on your spelling.
Also, you’re making yourself look like an idiot by moronically continuing to imply that I’m a sock of Finn’s.
OK so you acknowledge that the palestinian spouses of Israelis citizens are denied Israeli citizenship unlike any other spouse of israeli citizens and now you are taking issue with the treatment of the children. Its possible I am wrong. I was quoting this page:
The law does not enable the acquisition of Israeli citizenship or residency by a Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza Strip via marriage.[39] The law does allow children from such marriages to live in Israel until age 12, at which age they are required to emigrate.
I looked at the actual law http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/citizenship_law.htm and it does nto make reference to children. The 12 year old reference as near as i can tell is an exclusion that permits the Palestinian parent of an israeli born child to remain in israel until the child’s 12th birthday. It looks like the newspaper misread the law.
So I take back everything i said about the children of Palestinian. Now we are only dealing with denying citizenship to Paelstinian spouses of Israeli citizens, which is still bad but not as egregious.