Actually if FDR, had lived it is believed Israel would never have become a state, even many of Truman’s advisers argued against it.
I agree - this is crap. The left as a bloc absolutely does not hate Jews, and one of the most common antisemitic tropes is that Jews are Communists or Communist sympathizers. About 78 percent of Jewish voters went for Obama in 2008, and in general Jews have been a reliably Democratic bloc for generations.
Can we have a cite that says Israel denies citizenship to israeli arabs? 
And when was “the left” ever a bloc, anyway, outside of Sam’s endless, learning-less repetition in his ideologuist fantasy screeds here? :dubious:
But it’s no crappier crap than this:
So did the Jews in the same land, many times, but **John **apparently has no issue with them coming back and fighting for it again. That “logic” of his actually *endorses *the Palestinians’ efforts to regain that land by violence, although he doubtless hasn’t thought it through that far.
The results of a war are never final, supercilious “Sorries” notwithstanding. But, short of completing genocide, being neighbors is. That relationship can be managed civilly and respectfully, or it can be managed in such a way as to guarantee more war. Placing tribalism above humanism, in the way **John **has demonstrated here, is one way to do that.
:rolleyes:
It’s happening now.
I don’t despise any ethnic group, including Jews, or even Israelis. Why do you equate criticism of a government with any kind pf feeling about the ethnicity of that government? Was anyone critical of South African apartheid anti-white.
ASb=nti-semitism doesn’t exist on the lefty - at least not on the American left. Sorry, but there it is. Racism is purely a right wing thing.
I don’t know what you are talking about. Ancestral territory? The state of Israel is ancestral territory? So how come there was no unified Palestinian movement before the balfour declaration? they were other Arabs descendants or farmers/investors/settlers from the area. Many were from Jordan.
Why did they at one point want to be in Egyptian or Jordanian territory? I don’t understand your argument.
The Balfour Declaration was drawn up around population areas. The Jews did not expel people from anywhere - it was war, and many left. As someone pointed out, 20 per cent of the population in Israel is Arab (and they are CITIZENS) and they sure as shit don’t want to hang out in the West Bank. 
Equals how? In their lives? No. Of course not. But we’re talking about Arabs in Israel…not Palestinians under Hamas or PLO.
btw, about 90 per cent of all israelis receive some kind of social assistance. the country’s citizens struggle. all of them.
West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel.
I mean, since when is it our job to make sure all Mexicans live in equality with Americans?
How are they banned? Sounds like some false information there. Let’s not do that. Doing that is exactly what I said about misappropriating facts and history.
I didn’t know Israel fought the war for independence with CATs.
No, the logic doesn’t imply that at all. But let me ask you-- how many borders in the world were not determined, at some point, by war? How many times did people go to war, and then afterwards just say: Hey, this was just a game. We’ll go back to the pre-war situation and pretend nothing happened.
Of course they’re never final. They can be reset by future wars. You might want borders to be set over a cup of tea with sandwiches, where everyone shakes hands afterwards, but that almost never happens. I can think of maybe once or twice things worked out that way, but usually it’s just war.
So stop…Seriously. Stop spreading that crap.
If you can’t cite your extremely radical argument, then stuff it.
oh and when I say cite, I don’t mean cite your own post.
No, the state of Israel was established on stolen Palestinian territory.
wtf. Socialists weren’t racists? Communists weren’t racists?
i just roflcoptered
No, it wasn’t.
You have an increasingly nasty and unsporting habit of making up things I didn’t say and then demanding a cite for them. I’m sick of it.
Nothing but their genetic heritage - and a propensity for killing Jews, that is.
The Palestinian people are victims - but Israel isn’t their oppressor. Their oppressors are corrupt leaders like Arafat who made billions by skimming off international aid, while helping to foster conditions that would keep the aid coming. They’re victims because they are used as pawns by Arab and Iranian dictators to deflect attention away from their own despotism and re-focus it on Israel. They’re victims of pan-Arabian dreams gone wrong - told to flee Israel so the Arabs could come in and wipe out the Jews, then left in no-man’s land when the Arab assaults failed.
Israel is in the position of not being able to offer the right of return, knowing full well that that would mean the end of the Jewish state and a return to the oppression they’ve suffered through their history. But the Palestinians will accept nothing less, and the last time Israel attempted to come to an agreement for their homeland they launched the second Intifada and started killing Israelis in large number. Now it’s impossible for them to be assimilated into Israel, and no other country will take them.
The situation will be resolved when the Middle East itself changes and accepts Israel as a full partner and neighbor. When Israel is surrounded by democracies instead of tyrants, perhaps it can let its guard down a bit and take more risks with the Palestinians. When Hezbollah is gone from Lebanon and modernity arrives in Syria and Egypt and Libya, then maybe conditions will change to the point where the Palestinian problem can truly be solved.
Until then, Israel has few options.
Who stole it? Who did it belong to?
This is a racist statement.
It belonged to Palestinian Arabs. It was stolen by the UN.
Really? How? Do you dispute that Palestinians have used the bombing and murdering of Israelis as a regular tactic?
First - the Jews in the territory were the victims of attempted continued genocide. They refused the U.S.'s request to ‘delay’ their statement of independence after the balfour declaration. the u.s. didn’t want a war in the middle east or any kind of potential expansion of soviet power.
when israel did declare independence, how many countries do you think declared war? really? how many? and what was their reasoning?
actually, american indians fought for citizenship at one point (and won) but that’s not really my contention here.
hey, a one-state policy is basically eliminating the jewish people in israel. you cool with that?
last time they did that, they were lambasted!
and did the Palestinians leave infrastructure intact or anything productive? hmmm?
sorry, my fingers are taped on my left hand, so i’m having a hard time typing. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/18/nyregion/18donate.html
christ, israel gets all this grief for bulldozers and terrorist and arms root-outs and then what happens when they peacefully turn over infrastructure?!
there could be an anti-israel or one state solution jewish party and they’d suffer the same treatment by the elections committee (that’s the committee…not the labor party…). the united states has also effectively strong-armed many minority parties during wartime. every country has a history of this. the better ones change their ways.
but the fact that the israeli supreme court overturned the ban says something about the state and its democratic functions.
no one is saying that the government has never made mistakes. but to say, ‘israel bans arab parties’ is WRONG.
I think it was when you referred to “Nothing but their genetic heritage - And a propensity of killing Jews” it does imply a genetic reason for their violence.
On the other hand, I can say that **Diogenes **is saying something ridiculous when he says that “Racism is purely a right wing thing.” I don’t think that can be said with 100% certainty.
Having said that, I have seen plenty of examples around the world to show that while there are examples of antisemitism from the left, I can see more antisemitism coming from right wing governments. Just check the experiences the Jews had in Argentina during the days of the right wing military dictatorship’s “dirty wars” over there.