I don’t understand why anyone is bringing up first graders. I think we should allow for the “common decency, common sense” rule. Sure, there are the outliers, the ones who do the truly heinous things that keep all our doors locked and the news people in business. But, most people are reasonable human beings (given the chance) who are just trying to make their way through the world as best they can.
Just like people do not want their first graders drinking, smoking, or, for that matter, eating consecutive bags of M and M’s, people are not going to want their children smoking pot and bringing it in for show and tell. I like the system they have set up in Amsterdam with the pot bars. No employer wants their employees in an altered state at work and people don’t want to breathe the smoke while they are eating. Cool -those are easy concessions, so easy that if pot is ever legalized, it really won’t even be a debate. I mean it certainly isn’t a debate with alcohol.
Anyway, I have a question, drboomhauer, which six states have made it a “lowest priority”?
as a guest on this board I cannot quote, so this is for post #59, cisco.
yup, inability to agree on 1 of 2 issues is clearly gray area. unfortunately that is not the issue I labeled black & white, it was legalization of mj which is extraordinarily black & white in the national community. fortunately on this site there seems to be a lot of libertarian thinking.
as far as post #56, I reread and you were right. I didn’t catch the other people’s opinions the 1st time. I would love to continue debating you, I just have to keep in mind your prejudices (I believe you even used the term evil?) maybe we should make an addendum for the axis of evil. lol
Let me amend that -I don’t think it would have 20 mj cigs. I think it would have no more than 10 because it would take too long to get through 20 to be an enticing enough profit margin for the big companies. But, I would still say $10-12.
uhhhh, cisco–you referenced mj smokers as evil, lazy, society burdening weed-fiends. doesn’t really matter what point you were arguing, does it? some people can justify every thing they do.
melangell, my apologies. there are 6 states with not only medical mj laws but simple possession has been decriminalized for non medical consumers as well. this means civil court and fines, no criminal charges or jail time. these are Alaska, Cali, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, and Maine.
let’s clear things up a bit. lowest priority laws are city laws not state (my mistake) and are in the following places:
in California
Berkeley
Mendocino County
Oakland
Santa Barbara
Santa Cruz
San Francisco
Santa Monica
W. Hollywood
also in
Missoula County Montana
Columbia Missouri
Seattle
Madison Wisconsin
Amhurst Massachussettes
the following states have decriminalization laws but no medical mj:
Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, NY and Ohio.
hope this helps.
wee bairn, I personally don’t believe pot would be sold by the pack; too many people prefer to smoke from devices. from what I’ve read it would be sold in bulk weight, but I have no idea what the pricing would be. cisco commented earlier that pricing would possibly develop from current prices but that is impossible, as pricing varies so much. a dealer may sell a half ounce to regular customers and charge one person $30, and charge the next guy $150. it’s all in what they can get, you know?
No, they’d sell it on what the tax would do, the same way they sell cigarette taxes today. Assuming such a tax even needs to go on the ballot.
I’ve never touched the stuff, even when I was in college in Cambridge Mass, where it was de facto legal. And I’m not making that up - a cop came to our dorm, and basically said if no one grows plants in windows overlooking the police station or sells to teens, they had better things to do.
All but two of my living group in MIT smoked, so I’m less than convinced by your claim that those with brains gave it up as teenagers.
Why do you think that in a competitive environment the pot sellers (probably the cigarette companies) would keep prices high? I’d expect you’d get lots of new flavors and potencies, and lots of magazine advertising. Sure people would grow it, but not as many as think they’re going to. Why put the effort into it when you can buy better stuff for a few bucks. I grow vegetables, but not to save money.
BTW, Argent Towers said he’d like to see small growers, he didn’t say anything about banning big ones. People like to patronize microbreweries also, that doesn’t imply banning Bud, now matter what a benefit to society that would be.
Do you have any good reasons against legalization besides not liking it?
You obviously didn’t see the commercials, flyers, and senior citizens proselytizing outside of the public libraries here last fall when the new cigarette tax was on the ballot.
You mean my claim that I specifically stated only applied to my personal circle of friends? The one that I specifically stated wasn’t true across the board? Well, I guess I have to admit that I’m a little jealous that you know my friends better than I do.
Why should I? I’m not against legalization. But then, you’d know that if you had bothered to read the thread. Try it sometime, it brings a whole new level of enjoyment to posting.
Oh, you weren’t using that as justification for an evils of marijuana position? Then I can’t for the life of me imagine why you brought it up.
In California there are plenty of anti-smoking ads, sponsored by the cig company settlement. Increases in the tax, however, are supported positively, by all the good stuff we’ll get from it.
Supporting legalization by harping on the evils of tbe noxious weed is an interesting debating strategy, I must admit.
cisco, you are such a dick. if anyone, ANYONE cares to scroll back a page to post #39, they will see that you are also a liar. there was no mention to the pro tax crowd at all. I admitted that I made a mistake. can you?
I think the gov’t would make much more money legalizing and selling just like cigarettes–than they waste fighting the endless cascade of drugs flowing in! It’s like trying to stop birds from landing in your trees! The jails would be less crowded, so the budget could be reduced for or paid for by the retail sales tax on legal pot. “Blackmarket pot”! Penalties just like for "fake insignia jeans or jackets-
Anyway, I see it causes much more trouble for EVERYBODY being illegal than it would being legal! Including the govt!
drboomhauer, you’re new but you sound intelligent and it would be nice if you stuck around (and maybe used capital letters), and at the risk of Jr. moderating, don’t let yourself be goaded into calling people names anywhere outside of The Pit. You’ll just get warned by a mod.
I’d like to see you stick around and fight the good fight, if it’s something you strongly believe, and can defend.
{in the voice of Homer Simpson} capital letters? never!!
thank you and you are positively right about the name calling, pretty tacky stuff I know. sorry all.
ignorant but learning, I think you are exactly right. most politicians are stuck in principle only mode. the very fact that so many lawmakers have admitted to experimenting with drugs in college, and several have carried the “experiment” years into adulthood while advocating harsher laws and minimum sentencing for drug offenders proves the hypocrisy of the drug war. college students are now LOSING ALL FINANCIAL AID for doing what politicians admittedly did, from the 1st offense. think about that one. if an educated America is our goal, don’t you think we need to be working to retain these students who are on aid, who often are working a hectic work/school schedule --as opposed to students from wealthier families where tuition is not an issue–to stay in school and complete their education? unfortunately no politician wants to be called soft on drugs, so the show goes on.
Yeah but these kids are making a choice. And rightly or wrongly, big deal or not, they are breaking the law. And one of the penalties of breaking that law might be to lose financial aid. Don’t want to run the risk of that? Simple, fool proof method I’ll share. Just don’t smoke pot and break the law.
I don’t think that pot should be illegal, but it is the law. I do have heatr ache with people willing to be the BMOC, but then not willing to stand tall and accept the consequences of their actions.
these kids are making a choice, you are 100% on that. and currently smoking pot is against the law. but they also are just that–kids. when I was a teenager and even into early 20’s I did a lot of stupid stuff–who didn’t? but get so drunk you have to be rushed to the hospital, no danger of losing aid. take one hit off a joint and jeopardize your future? no 2nd chance? that is not going to accomplish anything but make a decision for some kids who are already struggling to stay in school. YOU’RE OUT!
just my opine…