so I was skimming this thread, scratching my ass and not paying too much attention til someone mentioned Dimethyltriptamine…
as the commercial goes, “not just endogenous anymore…”
(actually I didn’t know that I carried my own little lab with me somewhere in my (where is it, by the way–without benefit of any information whatsoever Im going to make at the cerebellum as opposed to the cortex, but in this, I am, without quibble, pissing into the wind. I shall repair to google momentarily, but couldn’t resist saluiting the all too rare reference to one of the amines I have known and loved, (props to you, Stanley…)
Not really, smoking isn’t nearly as effective as an intra-muscular injection. I just got this book on DMT, and it’s fascinating. The one that was linked earlier.
I, myself, inhibited perhaps by sensibilities too delicate for our modern (coarse?) age, would hesitate to recommend in general distribution a route of administration involving the penetration by needle of skin…
but hey, that’s just me…
you folks on the other side of the golden gate, well, what can I say? you are old-school hard core…
My initial post is above the one in which you posted your decision not to take the other posts seriously.
I am not so interested in those experiences that happen at the time of death as I am those that seem to come about suddenly in a setting that is not related to what one thinks of as traditionally religious.
SentientMeat, I am fascinated by your ability to repeat these states at will. My one experience (other than a waking dream) was so euphoric that I would never choose not to be in that state if possible. Do you still return to these states? Have you considered having a brain scan done for scientific purposes during such a state?
Have you ever considered that those states might be as accurate in perception of some sort of objective reality as anything you experience on a regular day-to-day life?
I understand if you don’t wish to discuss that in this thread.
lambchops, your are more fun than most altered states of consciousness.
Can anyone describe a “generic” DMT experience? (I’m assuming there is literature on the subject.)
Again, if this is a hijack, I apologize. I’ve been known to have LFNESMTIMD
Finally got around to reading this, great experience.
I will tell what I know about this state of consciousness.
It is a transcendent state where the self is experience apart from the physical.
Yoga’s have been known to achieve this through meditation and stand on one foot for as long as three days before returning to the physical. It is a great healing state for both physical and spiritual maladies.
This state is sometimes “slipped” into unawares, like your experience. And, of course, there are no two of them exactly alike, follows the personal attributes of each individual as NDEs do.
This is the first state of the NDE, the first thing experiencers notice is the feeling of self love. There is a great deal more to be said but not here.
These states are spiritual and follow the spiritual nature of man. There is no one cause for them as with NDEs. They can be willed or happen spontaneously.
My board also has a “Great Debates” section and the rules are enforced, if you can to talk there.
Comon, Lekatt, I expect better out of you. I assume you’re talking about Ketamine. Ketamine and DMT are completely different. Ketamine isn’t even endogenous. The experiences are nothing alike.
Since you have no experience with altered states of consciousness, I don’t see who you are to talk.
Pleased to meet you.
Terence Mckenna, one of the leading voices for DMT (now deceased), would be happy to talk about it.
are we to proceed in this analysis with the assumption that a functionally definable vehicle of consciousness other than the human body is a necessary component of the model?
and, if so, are we to exclude as counfounding any data which is tracable to the interaction of exogenous alkyiloids and the corporeal consciousness?
as to both, why?
note to lekatt-I am (perhaps mercifully, if I may so infer from some of the posts) unfamiliar with your endeavor, but I will presume to alert you (perhaps unnecessarily) to the mcgill u. prof working on mri to brain influence.)
I listened to the DMT experience, and it is nothing like a NDE. Ketamine produces an experience closer, but falls flat on many of the elements as talked about above. I have been researching NDEs for 17 years. I know one when I read one.
Actually the DMT experience is more like the religious hysteria experiences where talking in unknown tongues, and seeing visions are reported.
Don’t be merciful on my sake, just take your best shot. I have been looking for counter evidence (proof) on this board for quite a while, not found any yet.
When it happens to you, you leave your body and can go anywhere you wish, observe things happening in the physical from a spiritual position. No one has to explain to you what is going on, you know. If you return to your body you still know what went on. At about this time you become a believer, everyone does.
Come on, we’ve explained it to you so many times. You are making the claim, so you have to provide the evidence. You did in a previous post to this thread, I responded to it, you ignored me. You’re telling yourself I’m not serious or I’m “mean” or whatever, but the truth is that I’m right. If I were wrong, it would be so easy for you to pound me to pieces. That you’re not doing that is further evidence that you are, in fact, wrong.
For example, the Pam Reynolds surgery that you call the best documented case you have. It hinges, if I recall correctly, on Pam Reynolds describing a bone saw as “looking like an electric toothbrush”. That is not very impressive.
Hahhahahaa. Oh man, I love this. The typical DMT trip is right there in front of your damn eyes! Within the first 3 sentences I can already tell its DMT.
"The next thing I recall was the sound: It was a Natural “D.” - Okay, DMT causes you to hear a sound.
"As I listened to the sound, I felt it was pulling me out of the top of my head." - Yup, DMT makes you leave your body.
"The further out of my body I got, the more clear the tone became." - The sound is getting louder, just like on DMT.
"It was not like normal vision. It was brighter and more focused and clearer than normal vision ." - Hmmmmm, EXACTLY what McKenna said about visual acuity.
"At some point very early in the tunnel vortex I became aware of my grandmother calling me." - DMT causes audio hallucinations.
"The light was incredibly bright, like sitting in the middle of a light bulb." - Yawn, extremely common on DMT.
"I recognized a lot of people." - DMT causes you to see other beings.
"They would not permit me to go further … It was communicated to me - that’s the best way I know how to say it, because they didn’t speak like I’m speaking" - Hmmmm maybe they were talking in a weird language JUST LIKE MCKENNA DEMONSTRATED!
"Then they [deceased relatives] were feeding me. They were not doing this through my mouth, like with food, but they were nourishing me with something. The only way I know how to put it is something sparkly." - Jesus christ, didn’t McKenna mention some sparkly objects? Amazing.
Nothing really amazing about it to a person that has listened to and read the experiences. Pam’s experience was very different only you couldn’t tell from the account you gave. Your account was full of omissions and word changes, actually it is a bogus rendering. In the DMT account the unknown “people” were incouraging speaking in glossolalia format, or hysteria. You have only made your cause worse by providing misinformation about the accounts. While in real NDE accounts experiencers are often “fed” energy. This is for healing.
The above account of Pam’s is not nearly all that happened either, just what was printed in the article. If you would like to read more of what happened try here.
Is that always true? If so, then what scientific methodology did you use to determine that the scientific method is the only valid means of searching for truth?
Remember, I want a description of the scientific methodology that you used to arrive at that conclusion. I will accept nothing less.