It has been given to you before, but here it is again: The Lancet Study-not a review or article about the study, but the actual study itself. All ready for you to cite and refer to.
Evidently you had great faith in the scientific veracity of NDE until one by one your sources were shown not to be peer-reviewed scientific studies. As has been stated by others too many times to mention, it’s fine if you declare that you’re talking about beliefs that are beyond the reach of scientific explanation. So have you then come to a crossroads here… you’ve agreed that it’s incorrect to talk about NDE as scientifically proven fact, that there is no research supporting it?
I myself had a very transformative, transcendental experience at some time in the past. It changed my life for the better in many ways, and gave me a whole new understanding of the universe. I don’t delude myself into thinking there are unproven metaphysical reasons for this; it was an experience of the mind brought on by drugs and fasting. That doesn’t make it any less real or important for me. In fact, years later the memory of it still retains an overwhelming quality of “realness” for me. There is a part of our brain that produces the perception of realness.
When you think about it, everything in the world is in our minds. Each of us lives in a “holodeck” that can produce some amazing things, and more importantly, we can’t escape from it, we have to live our whole lives within it. So it’s no pejorative to say something that is “all in your mind”. Everything is in your mind, both reality and surreality together. It is all part of your world. The place where you have to stop short is where you think that you can define what’s in my world because what’s in your world sounds so real to you. Science is the only language we have that describes the things that are real for everyone. But just because a thing isn’t real for everyone in the same way, doesn’t mean it isn’t very real for you, or that someone else doesn’t experience the same thing in a different way.
I’ve also experienced the feeling of being out of my body on a handful of occasions. However, I don’t interpret them as being actual out of body experiences, just a side effect of the human brain in unusual states. When I’ve had them, it’s been when I was sick with a fever.
The human brain can undoubtedly give you the feeling that you’re out of your body. You have a sense that tells you where your body is, and if that is not working properly, whether due to fever, lack of blood flow, or being sleepy, you can get the feeling like your mind is disconnected from your body.
What reason do you have to think your experiences are something other than this well-known reason that people have OBEs?
Did I mention the breasts?
Not surprisingly, you ignored my rather simple and straightforward question. It is abundantly clear to me that there can be no progress here.
One last comment, though. You can be very trusting of other people without believing they are correct. My friend might come to me swearing on his mother’s life that he saw an extraterrestrial. And unless I had prior reason to doubt him, I probably would believe him. No, I wouldn’t believe he was visited by aliens, but I would believe that he thought that’s what happened. Just because I think he saw some swamp gas reflecting off Venus or somesuch doesn’t mean that I’m more negative than the person who takes his claim at face value. lekatt, I hope that one day you will be able to do the intellectually honest thing and admit to yourself that you are fallible. Barring that, though, I will continue to read your posts, because I find your thought process to be bizarrely fascinating and alien to my own.
If you had actually been out of your body you would have no doubt that you had. Near death experiences change atheists to theists in moments, take the worst of the worst and make the best of the best out of them. You defend your beliefs by just not reading anything that opposes them. You can’t learn without reading opposing views.
I am grateful not all scientists feel they must reject opposing ideas. NDE research has been going on now for over 30 years and will continue for as long as it takes.
Read the material and learn or don’t read and defend to the death. Not a pun.
I had a friend, long time friend, that told me he was caught in a beam of light coming down from a UFO when he was only 12 years old. His mother seeing it happening yelled for him to run, which he did very fast. The next night his mother saw an alien looking in the window at her and screamed. Everyone came running and watched the alien run into the woods and a UFO rise out of the woods and fly off. I had no reason to doubt this person, he had been honest with me from day one. Later that year I found a group of “Blue Book” reports and looked to see if there had been any sightings in the area where he lived. I found a full investigation of the event he had told me about with a dozen witnesses, and the final notation on the report, Unknown. They had found radiation coming from the landing site in the woods. Yes, I believe him, even though I have never seen a UFO personally. This world is full of events, happenings and stuff science will never know about. Do you know there are thousands of pictures of UFOs. Did you know they have DNA samples of Bigfoot. I had forgotten skeptical scientists don’t believe in anything unless science tells them to do so. Negative people miss out on so much of the fun in this world. I wouldn’t let anyone tell me what to believe and what not to. Study, read and learn or vegetate.
Cite?
Being abducted by aliens is fun?!? (Never being exposed to radiation from their spacecrafts).
Honestly? I prefer reading that in fiction or seeing it in a movie. Or experiencing the real world and having fun in that (I recommend rafting, for instance).
Wow. You completely missed the point of what I said. I am stunned.
I agree - you’re a very negative person. By denying knowledge of the real world, you resort to fantasies like separate souls and UFOs, and by so doing miss out on all the real beauty.
Depends on the aliens. Wookiees might be kinda cool.
So, haven’t there been any negative NDE/OBE? None at all?
Cite?*
*Yeah, I know, it probably won’t happen.
Alright, so, getting back on track, you understand there is no scientific evidence that NDE’s lack a physical explanation, and we can count on you not to claim it as scientifically verified fact anymore?
I don’t know… a droid won’t rip your arm off. 
Are you sure there is scientific evidence that there is scientific evidence? You can count on me to be honest, wide is up, and down is narrow, yeah I got it. I had no idea science was so simply complicated, and so extremely narrow that it could that a hair would fall off of it backwards. Cool.
What specific illness or condition was threatening your life when you had your NDE?
Honestly, what the crap are you rambling on about?
It’s a simple fact that there is no scientific evidence that NDEs, etc, don’t have a physical explanation. The physical option has not been scientifically disproved. This is not complicated; there’s no reason to gibber.
You lead a cloistered life with what you can believe carefully thought out for you.
Yes, there is plenty of evidence, extra good evidence, mankind is spiritual.
I know, I know, the whole world is wrong and only you are right.
So I take it that instead of quoting your support from the Lancet article you’ve been claiming support from, you’re choosing to have an ungraceful meltdown in a pile of gibberish? Your choice.
Just keep in mind nobody ever mocked your choice to have a belief, only your repeated claims that your beliefs have scientific backing. It seems strange that the scientific support seems so important to you, but look at you mocking science when it turns out to be inconvenient for you. Take the scientific tack or not, but don’t mix the two.
Of course no one ever mocked my beliefs, just the whole board.
I did discover a great truth today that I didn’t know. When I debate with the religious folks, they hold the Holy Bible in front of them as a shield and tell me if it isn’t in the Bible it isn’t about God. It must be of the devil, been called the devil many times. I know they can’t help being what they were told to believe since childhood. Some will be able to read enough of the foundations of their beliefs to overcome it, I know I did.
Now when I debate with the science folks, low and behold, they hold up the “scientific method” as a shield and tell me if it isn’t done in this manner it can’t be truth. Only the “method” can produce anything real. They call me names and laugh at my ignorance. I can’t blame them for citing what they have been told since early childhood. Some will understand in the future that personal experience is good, maybe.
I discovered why the two systems dislike each other so much, they are almost identical in methodology. I believe I know how and why this kind of thing happens, but I won’t burden you with it.
I am a free thinker, I don’t have to look in any book or check any method in order to believe or disbelieve an idea. I can just do it, like Nike.