Thousands of experiences are not documented, but hundreds are documented. We can compare them and learn what is most probable and what isn’t. Just simple logic.
I had a near death experience because I was offered life or death in it by a spiritual being, something that is common to these experiences.
So, AGAIN, is there such thing as a negative NDE experience?
I am sorry, but I don’t understand you at all, I already said I was under the care of a heart doctor. I also said I knew I was healed from the experience, What is it with you?
OK, I missed this one and I apologize. Yes, there are negative experiences. How many, what percentage, is only opinion. From 3 to 15 percent is the usual guess.
The end result of negative experiences is the same as positive ones almost always. The experience is a process, one has to read a bunch of them to start seeing the patterns.
Sunofabitch, the truth finally comes forth. You were not dying the night of your “NDE”-you think you were either threatened or saved by some mystical being, and you believe that you were not dreaming when this happened. Nothing threatening before you slept, and no medical condition to check out after you woke. No immediate problem at all, thus no NDE.
Lekatt are you currently under a doctor’s care? If so, what kind of doctor? Are you on meds? If so what kind?
You have stated that in the past you have been under different doctors’ care. Were you on meds then? What kind?
Did anyone test you following your heart attack to determine the severity of your attack?
Are you kidding me?
I’m glad you had a good dream and the good heart fairy came along and touched you and made you all better.
My explanation is as valid as yours, because I happen to believe in fairies. When I lost my tooth as a kid, I would put it under my pillow, and in the morning it would be gone! And there would be money there! When I told my friends at school about this, they said the same thing happened to them!
Ergo, fairies are real. So there. Simple logic at its finest my friend.
Peace and Fairy Love.
It now seems that, dispite all the hints concerning “heart disease”, he didn’t actually have a heart attack. He went to bed, says he woke up from a dream, and a mystical being told him he had a choice between living and dying. Not only was he not dying of anything in particular, but his story doesn’t even fit the profile of most other NDEers.
ummm…
You know that for thousands, upon thousands of years “spontaneous life generation” was accepted as real? Thousands, if not millions, if not billions of people believed that under certain circumstances life would spontaneously arise. I.e. if you put together enough garbage, for enough time, supposedly mice would rise out of non-existence.
It took considerable debate and convincing of folks before it was accepted that this phenomenon was not real.
My point: common sense is quite, quite often wrong. People have observed things in the past which they took for granted and which turned out to be mistaken. And it wasn’t a concerted effort to fool anyone, not even themselves. It was simply a problem of perceptions.
Common sense has its uses. But you can’t rely on it to truly show you how the universe works, because it can, and has, been tricked.
But he knows he hasn’t been tricked. QED.
Again: it’s not a question of trust/distrust of that (or any other) scientists. Indeed, personal knowledge has nothing to do with the issue.
Have you ever seen optical illusions? Have you, for instance, seen images on printed paper which you could swear were moving? Show them to a child and, depending on her age, she might be convinced they are actually moving and even tell other people about “magic, moving pictures”.
If that child told you about her experience, would you disbelieve her? Or, because she is trustworthy, would you believe she actually saw a “magic, moving picture”?
In my case, I would search for an alternate explanation: she didn’t try to deceive me, but her senses deceived herself. The same happens on many levels of human perception. Quite often our senses tell us something which is not “real”.
Science tries to eliminate those kinds of phenomena as much as it can. That’s why there are strict protocols which substantiate experiments and are used to report findings.
That’s why the plural of anecdotes isn’t data. Personal perception is flawed. Not all the time. But if you want verifiable observations, you have to be far more rigorous than what personal observation entails. And, apparently, that is your main beef with science.
Remember: science isn’t democratic.
But he knows it was real. QED.
Yeah, if I remember right, don’t most people who claim to have a NDE, speak of a long white tunnel of light?
No one has accused people who have experienced and NDE of lying. Please understand that we simply don’t believe your interpretation of these events as proof of a spirit that exists independently of the brain. Someone having an experience and then reaching an unwarranted conclusion is not lying, it’s simply being mistaken.
And I’m nearly speechless to learn that your near-death experience was simply a dream about being offered the choice to live. You truly live in a world of fairies and leprechauns.
Yes, but they love him.
QED?
lekatt, have you ever seen a stage magician perform the “Sawing a Lady in Half” trick? If he was convincing, very convincing, to the point you felt he actually did cut the lady in half, would it then be true that the lady was really cut in half?
You speak in riddles, now the people, thousands of them are not capable of knowing what happened to them. But of course, you do know. Makes as much sense as what you said about my experience. Oh, if it were true that you are speechless, what a boon.
Duh, I have no idea what that has to do with anything.
Simple: the PC apeman, like myself and some others have been trying to convey the idea that not all perceptions of the senses of a person can be trusted. Even in this thread there have been several examples of people who had experiences which, when under scrutiny, had to be re-evaluated because they were found to be subtly different from the beholders perception.
In short: Not all we see/feel is true.
That’s where science comes in.