A know what fatal means, I was given 6 months to live 20 years ago. A friend of mine was given 4 months that was 10 years ago. You see there is a higher authority than doctors.
I’m feeling very Ricky Gervais listening to Karl Pilkington with this one.
Apparently you *don’t *know what “fatal” means. Now if you’re doctor looked down at your corpse and said, “It’s fatal,” then you’d have an argument.
You don’t have a clue as to what my beliefs are, you are just assuming you do.
People assume they know a lot of things, but don’t, when they grow older and wiser they will understand.
If they existed, you would have cited them before now. Since you haven’t, we have no reason to believe you.
You do understand that:
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[li]This was never common.[/li][li]It was a result of people in the pre-industrial age being terrified of being buried alive.[/li][li]Primitive medical science at the time made it much more likely to mis-diagnose death.[/li][li]Does nothing to bolster the childish claim that there is an intangible spirit.[/li][/ul]
You don’t have any reason to believe me with or without cites. All you will do is say they are not good science. Been there, done that.
Those that want cites google “near death experiences” and start reading. Tons of material.
It’s your claim, so you provide the cites.
Dude, this is the Internet. I could google “Elizabeth Taylor’s Colostomy Bag” and come up with tons of material.
So a doctor was wrong. No one is saying that doctors are infallible, they provide estimates based on statistical information. Perhaps you were an outlier.
Meaningless. That a doctor can be wrong isn’t news to anyone. You are pretending that random incidences are evidence of the fantasy world you wish to believe in.
Watch how easy it is:
You didn’t die when given six months to live. Obviously it means you’ve been possessed by a horrifying demon and while you sleep you fly out of your apartment and give STDs to homeless people. The fact you didn’t die proves you’re possessed!
That’s a hell of a big bag.
Name. One.
Just like Count Dracula
Yes, it would. If the victim survived, the accident was not fatal. By definition, you cannot survive a fatal accident.
So, does that mean a dead person is never actually dead?
You have argued that medical science cannot determine with certainty the time of death. Therefore, I am asking you at what point the rights of an individual die.
There’s a very fundamental flaw with this approach of yours. There’s no way of guaranteeing that if I do some googling, I will come up with citations that you personally find compelling. I might say, “well, this is clearly nonsense! How can you believe this?” only to eventually discover that the cite I chose is one that you also happen to think is nonsense, thus wasting everybody’s time.
If you’re at all interested in having a discussion about these things, rather than simply shouting your own opinions and sticking your fingers in your ears to avoid hearing other peoples’ opinions, the way to start is by offering up information that has led you to your conclusions. If you post a link - a cite, if I dare use that fraught word - and say, “Here. This is evidence (or an argument, or debate, or whatever) that I find convincing and compelling,” then there’s a place for a conversation to begin. There’s some substance there to debate. There’s something more than just empty words flying around.
Now I need a bath.
I don’t know how common it was, but since embalming became prevalent there was no need for the bells. As for the intangibel spirit, you are one, and will find out at some time in your life.
I have been looking for someone to discuss this with for ages on this board, but no takers. They either don’t know or won’t read the research, or read part of it and say it’s faulted or some other lame excuse. OK I will post the research, I did not write this but I did ask permission and received it to put this on my site. This link spreads out into about 100 other links and covers a lot of the near death experiences research. Read what you will, and if you wish to discuss it intelligently I am your man.
Dr. Jeffrey Long, has just published a book “Evidence for the Afterlife.” He is a long time researcher and has a very large near death experience site. His book is doing well and he has been on the talk show circuit as well as taking on all skeptics that wish to debate it.
NO. Not acceptable. Please provide a link to a cite that provides evidence to your claims.
No book reviews.
No blogs.
No anecdotes, anonymous or otherwise.
I think it is much more likely that you, hopefully many years from now, will die, your consciousness will end and you’ll never know how wrong you were.
So I guess you win that one.
oops… wrong thread.