Less Than Two Weeks of School...(or help, please)

Okay, my beloved angel TinyTot has been in school for less than two weeks and already he’s starting to get in trouble. Today he snuck forbidden candy into school and according to his teachers he doesn’t want to let other children play the games they want to play, i.e. he’s a dictator. Also, he suffers from selective hearing and only hears what he wants to hear. If by chance he does hear something he doesn’t like, he will try and plead, con or threaten his way out of it.

ARGHHHHHH!!! How could this be happening? I thought we were doing a pretty good job, but now I wonder. The humiliation is more than I can bear…I feel like I’m wearing a scarlet “bad parent” badge pinned to my forehead.

I need help, ideas, suggestions, commiseration, anything. This is very new to me, as I was always a very polite child and my niece was the perfect student her first year (my only experience having a child in school). I’ve tried talking to him, but I’m not sure it’s sinking in. Please, nobody suggest spanking, because even though I’m against it, I tried it and it failed miserably.

Thanks in advance

Your Poor Embarrassed tatertot

BTW His father thinks I’m overreacting. Am I? Shouldn’t this be nipped in the bud?

TT-

It sounds like the TinyTot is in need of some socialization experiences. That doesn’t mean you’ve been a bad parent, not at all. Just that Tinytot will soon be learning that other peoples wills can be just as strong as his. It can be a jungle on that playground. While the Chancling isn’t old enough for school yet I pretty much raised my kid sister beginning when I was 16 and remember her going through this when she started school.

It’s really a matter of the TinyTot learning his limitations. He may be limiting others in disrupting their games etc but others will shortly be going out of their way to limit his. Even if it’s something as simple as “I don’t want to play with you, you’re mean.” from another 5 year old it can have an effect.

As to over-reacting? I don’t think you are. It’s best to get this sort of thing under control early before the pattern sets in. But all I think you can really do is let the law of the playground kick in and be strong when he complains to you about his playmates and teachers.

Good luck. I’m about 4 years behind you and I’m trying to learn all I can. The Chancling is strong willed already…God help me when she reaches school age.

aww… Tinytot!! He may not know how to interact with other kids. Was he in a playgroup before school?

Get him to tell you what he thinks of school, the other kids, his teacher etc.

Understanding his side of the situation will help you to devise a plan of action. Dont punish him for doing bad, reward him for behaving, and working hard.

Get to know what his favourite things in school are so far, and what he dosent like. Explain to him about teamwork and sharing. Also discuss with him what he was doing wrong, and why it was wrong. and give him a big hug to let him know that you love him, so that he dosent think that you are angry at him.

well, you can take this post with a pinch of salt, because I have no experience with children.

This sounds just like my husband. Now.

Anyhoo, I think you should look for a parent support group to chat with. Also, meet with the teacher and see what he or she says. I’m sure they’ve seen this all before and have some advice!

Good luck!
Zette

I just sent my third child off to kindergarten. One of the things that is important to remember is that there is a wide range in abilities at that age. Just as you have everything from kids who don’t recognize their letters yet to kids who are already reading, you have some children who have figured out the social cues and some who haven’t.

I would take the reward-good-behavior approach, and make sure to include him in the whole process. You can have conversations about what might happen at school and how he might react. Do some role-playing so he can practice. Rather than telling him what he shouldn’t be doing, I would focus on what he can do to make his life at school more pleasant.

If you’re lucky, you have a teacher who can be creative in helping him. My oldest had a classmate in kindergarten who had a very difficult time sitting still for things like storytime. Rather than scold him or complain to the parents, the teacher suggested that when he got antsy he could go out in the hallway and do jumping jacks. In any case, you want to have a good communication system with the teacher. When my oldest was working on remembering homework assignments we set up a “communication log”-a little notebook that she kept in her backpack that we used to write notes back and forth with the teacher so we could keep track of her progress.

I have a bossy little 5 year old, too. I try to give some of these more difficult personality traits a positive spin. For instance, bossiness today may translate into strong leadership later on. My son’s stubborness is also perserverance; he’s never one to give up when things get difficult. I can’t change their personalities, but I can help them “use their powers for good.”

Flashback time. ** my ** progeny told the principal “You’re not my boss” within the first week.

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I went so far as to take my son to the doctor to get his hearing tested.

I recall one incident, in particular, where I asked him how his day was. He mentioned several things and the casual statement “when I was out in the hall”. What were you doing out in the hall? “the teacher sent me there”. Why?
“I dunno”. Well, what happened ** just ** before you got sent out in the hall? “she said 'That’s it, out in the hall!”

I developed a close personal relationship with the school secretary and principal. Gave 'em gifts every Christmas.

The first year of school is a learning ground for kids to get acclimated to doing things in large groups, working out their differences, learning socialization and maybe how to count.

Best advice I can give you is to keep in close contact with the teachers, if you can stop by during the day do so. When they see the parent as “working cooperatively” things go easier.

None of what you describe, however, is cause for serious alarm at this point. IMHO (course, you should take this with a 6’1" grain of salt - the same size as my son) :wink:

tatertot,

I haven’t got a family, but I am a teacher.

First - don’t feel bad about yourself :slight_smile: . Your posts reveal an interesting person, who cares about other people.

Second - nobody teaches parenting (come to think of it, there should be a course…). So give it your best shot, ask advice from family and friends, but remember that it’s YOUR family and you are entitled to your own style.
(I would try myself not to use spanking, because I think it teaches that ‘stronger is right’, not that unsocial behaviour is wrong).

Third - your child’s teachers will be grateful for your interest and help. Be polite and ask their opinion. Offer support for study habits at home. They are just as interested in your child succeeding as you are.
(From a teacher’s point of view, the worst parents are those whose child is perfect, and all teachers are liars. Sample: teacher complains about swearing. Parent comes in and says ‘you’re lying, there’s no f*cking way my kid knows those words’. These sort of parents never apologise either.
Next worse are those who take no interest. 'It’s your job to educate them - we don’t have any stupid books in the house - and they’ll never amount to anything anyway.)

Lastly - I never told my parents anything about school (they found out I’d won the Maths prize from a neighbour). I seldom spoke in class. Now look at me - a very happy teacher with an interesting vocabulary (and the second best job in the world :wink: )

Thanks for the advice, guys. I think I’m going to sit on it for a day, and read it with unemtional eyes. I’m still not over the shock that my sweetpea is the class juvenile delinquent.

I will say that he has had lots of unstructured contact with other children, however he has never wanted to play with children his own age. He seems most attracted to boys about 4 or 5 years older, or adults. I’m not sure if that’s part of the problem or not.

His teachers are great, and seem very willing to work with me on the problem. We’re going to take it day by day and see what works.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but he has always been a very um, strange child. His bedtime reading is just as likely to be the Microsoft Windows 2k manual as Doctor Seuss. To be honest, it’s hard for me to talk about him with other the other parents around here because most of them see parenting as a competitive sport. And because of his gifts, I think he has spent more time with his parents and other adults than most children his own age.

Right now, I’m positively longing for the days when he was a howling colicky infant. Things seemed much simpler then. :frowning:

Thanks for the help, I’m sure I’ll feel better in the morning. I have sent him off with his much calmer father for the afternoon, so that he doesn’t develop any of my weird complexes.

Sounds a lot like me. You might, if you could, try to observe class for a day or so. See what his relationship is with the kids in his class. I got along better with the adults when I was young for different reasons (the kids in my class were absolutely vicious), but basically what I think is happening is that he sees what he’s doing as getting what he wants. So far he’s getting it.

What hurt me the most when I was young, socially, was not being able to grow the same as other people. I spent more time by myself (because of the kids in my grade) but I don’t think it would have mattered if I’d been in a group with other kids like me.

My advice to you . . . um . . . lemme think. Figure out what he likes in school and what he doesn’t like. And get ti into his head as early as possible that while he is bright (and all that fun stuff), he isn’t the smartest in his class. My younger brother suffered for years because he thought that. I did as well (about myself).

Wow tater, sounds like you are being challenged by a gifted child! (I didn’t want to say “cursed with”…)

I was that child in school. Don’t have a lot of great advice for you. I too would rather hang out with adults than kids, I was reading my dad’s science fiction long before my reading books, that kind of thing.

Try to keep him interested, that can be a real problem with smart kids. And try not to let someone label him ADHD, he might just be bored and restless.

Did he have preschool or other socialization before kindergarden? Have you thought of Montessori or private school, where he might be taught at an accelerated or personalized rate?

Good luck, I will be watching closely, as I (like JChance) will blink & the baby will be leaving for school!

Tater, do they have a gifted program in the school? I notice EJsGirl mentioned Montessori school, and that was a thought that crossed my mind also, but that can be expensive.

Everything that has previously been suggested sounds good, but the gifted aspect puts a slightly different spin on it. Maybe he needs to be in a class with older kids.

Probably no one thinks you are a bad parent at the school. Lots of kids have a little trouble adjusting to new environments.

Best wishes to you.

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Is there any chance of having him assessed WRT his level of giftedness? Have you any idea as to where he falls on the bell curve?

My kid was a disaster from start to finish at school. His illustrious career lasted 6 weeks. What I wish we had done differently was if we had known exactly what we were dealing in the beginning I would have had a psych involved very closely. As it was, the school told me they could deal with him and by the end of 6 weeks they were going to expel him if I didn’t involve a psych. Well, duh. What the fuck did I tell them in the first place?

OK back from the land of rant ;), if you think he is gifted, it is useful to know the level of giftedness because this is going to influence the kind of accommodations tinytot might need. I could go off on a rant on that subject too but I will attempt to hold my peace…

If you want to email me privately my addy is annaged@kjsl.com

I think I may have left out a few pertinant facts. We are living in Germany with the US Army and have decided to send Nicholas to a German kindergarten. We decided to do this for many reasons, for starters it will be wonderful for him to learn a second language (and a good challenge) and the great teacher my niece had last year was replaced by a first grade teacher who got scores of complaints (about not being able to handle a classroom among other things).

German Kindergarten is different from most American kindergartens in that they don’t focus on the academics and are more concerned with helping the children learn to get along together and letting them explore their own interests. From what I’ve read, it’s like a cross between the Montessori and Walldorf theories of early childhood educations.

We’ve not had him tested, but now I’m wondering if we should do it. I need to find out where I can get this done…he’s not fluent enough yet to be tested in German, and I don’t know if the American school will test him without him being a student. He’s always been, like I said a rather unusual child (I mean this in the nicest way). He didn’t talk until 3 1/2, but then a month or two later he was reading. So far, I’ve been teaching him at home, not formally but as the opportunity comes up.

I don’t think that emotionally he’s ready to be moved up to first grade, and there are also some fine motor skills that he hasn’t mastered well enough to do first grade work. For example, he doesn’t write very well yet…he’s rather agitated that we want him to write, as he can type.

Last night, we finally had a heart to heart at bedtime schnuggle time and he wanted to know what he should do if he had a “sigh day”. He says that sometimes he is lonely in school…perhaps because of the language barrier? I gave him some suggestions on ways to get the other kids to want to play with him (be cooperative, ask nicely, ask for help translating from the teacher) and he said that he would try them. He is having some trouble pronouncing German words (and English) because his teeth are starting to fall out, so I told him he could use a form of sign language if the children didn’t understand him.

Another possible problem is that he is several inches taller then the other children and built like a mini-linebacker. I’m wondering perhaps if he gets frustrated, it intimidates the other children? I’m going to work with him on staying calm, because I don’t want him to get the idea that other kids are afraid of him. We’ve already discussed the count to ten technique, and I’ve told him that if he gets angry the best thing for him to do would be to leave the situation until he gets calm.

I’ve not yet figured out how to solve the obeying the teachers part…the best I can think of right now, is to let him know that I’m going to ask the teachers each day about how he has been and make a chart to track it. I’m going to sit down with Hubby and figure out some sort of reward scheme. And of course, we will praise him when he does well.

The teachers are fantastic and very willing to work with us on this problem. He does love them very much and always gives them big hugs when he sees them…I’m also wondering if he is trying to test the waters, since this is a new place.

Thanks for all of the advice, guys. And I hope it’s been helpful for our new parents, too. Yup, before you know it, you’ll have a kid in school, too! It’s a little freaky, but I’m sure I’ll manage in time.

Picked up TinyTot from school today and the teacher said he did much better! WooHoo, there’s hope for us yet! We’re still going to look for ways to help him, but at least we know he can do better. Keep those suggestions coming, if you have 'em.

BTW, Primaflora look for me to e-mail you sometime this weekend. I’m very interested to hear your stories & gain from your insight.

He’s the biggest kid in class. He’s smart. He could easily be a leader in the class. lets hope he uses his powers for good!
Seriously, when he learns to interact, I’m sure he will start doing great in class. See if you can get him a playdate with a couple of other kids in the class so he can make some friends.

Tell him that if he keeps doing real good, he’s going to get a present from me, to be collected by yourself when you get here!

awwww T of F if he has crapped out in the class, he is going to feel soooo bad and sad, he will need a present even more than if the class has worked out for him.

Tater, I don’t know anything about what tests a German psych might use. I do know you would need a non verbal test like the Raven Matrices to test a kid in a language other than their own but the Ravens are pretty useless at any sort of extremes. I think they have a fairly low ceiling and the top 5% all get lumped in together. IMO and IME it is better not to test at all than to test with the wrong test or with an inexperienced tester.

Do email me :slight_smile: I can babble about this stuff for ages

:::shuddering, wondering what kind of gift Twistycakes would get my kid.::: Thanks, sweetie, he’s really looking forward to what I bring him from the magic Leprechaun of Ireland, Barney Stone. :slight_smile:

Primaflora, I will have to write you, because as you can see, we don’t have the range of options we would in the States. I’m really not so interested in the numbers -but- if this could help me and his teachers figure out ways to keep him connected with his peers, than I’m all for it. He’s a really special little guy, and I’d hate to see him think less of himself because of problems getting along with his peer group.

It’s been a week, and TinyTot is doing better every day according to his teachers. She also reassured me that a lot of kids go through this, which was somewhat comforting. He seems to be enjoying himself, and is reluctant to leave in the afternoon. If things continue going well, we are going to start letting him go for another hour per day.

I am still meaning to write Primaflora, but I have been a disorganized mess lately. I thought things would get easier once he was in school!

Thanks for all the help, and if anyone has any additional suggestions, I’d be glad to hear them.

Tatertot, the answer was there from the start. Is your child’s name Richard? If it is, it’s only natural for him to be a Dicktater.

:: ducks and runs ::
PS: Glad everything is working out. Recruiting some of the local school kids for a playdate will give you a good idea of how he plays with others.

Zenster, my Grandfather’s name Dick Tate…for some reason my uncle, his namesake, goes by Rick. :slight_smile: Actually it’s worse, because their full given names are Harold Richard. Grandpa was born way back in 1911, though, when minds where not quite so dirty.

Up til now, TinyTot has always played well with others at the playground and his informal playgroups. That’s when he’ll actually play with other kids, though, half the time he’s content to play alone while the other kids play together. Now that everyone has settled into school, I will ask one or two schoolmates over a few times a week for playtime.