Let me smoke in peace

You’re talking to one. They’re very common 'round these parts. Usually on weekends, at bars. Sometimes only when they drink. Sometimes only after sex. Sometimes they’re much more likely to bum a cig off of others that buy their own pack. Ask any smoker. Those mooching bastards are everywhere. :wink:

There is a significant middle ground between two-pack a day smokers and non-smokers.

Interesting threat. I’ll quit smoking when you quit posting.

I’ve seen a number of cheesy afterschool specials where people start smoking as a result of peer pressure. So you’ll pardon me if I’m amused by the irony of your suggestion that I should quit smoking because people will like me better.

You place waaaay too much value on what other people think, Gazoo. I got news for ya: an undersexed teetotaler spells l-o-s-e-r in many social circles.

You need to read better - who said anything about being undersexed or a teetotaler? No “recreational” sex and nothing about being a teetotaler.

I don’t give a rat’s ass what people think about me - do you think I would post all this shit if I did? You seem to care a lot about what people think about you - wasn’t that the whole idea behind your whole OP - a whine about some lady saying something to you? If you didn’t care about it, you would have just let it go, instead of whining about it here.

That would be me. When I drink, I smoke and I don’t go out drinking that often at all.

I gotta agree with Arden. Another Social Smoker here. I haven’t had a cig in years, but it helped smooth out the taste of beer for me. I don’t drink often (once or twice a year, sometimes even less), but if I was drinking beer… I was bumming a cigarette.
<warning: rant mode on… >

On a side note, isn’t all of this smoker bashing just a surrogate for racism in this PC age? Yep, your right! All that cancer and lung disease isn’t our fault! It’s those durn smokers… And we non-smokers sure is better’n them durn smokers! Wow! I feel better already!

Yeah, you can kid yourself about smokers bringing it on themselves, but think it through. This stuff is addictive! Huge corporations altered cigs through the years with the intention of making it MORE addictive! My wife has been a smoker since she was in Junior High School! You’re trying to tell me that a person should be held accountable for a mistake they made when they were 13 years old? How about 5? My dad started chewing tobacco before the age of 5! His dad didn’t think anything of it at the time, noone did. Now that he’s 55 years old, that makes him a bad person?

And further more, I’m man enough to admit it. I got lucky. I was able to go drinking in college and pick up a cig and then put it down. Luck, nothing more. It’s not because I’m a better person or because I have “willpower”!

<Rant off, have a nice day :slight_smile: >

Well, if we agree that other people’s opinions shouldn’t dictate your own decisions, why would your statement “Quit or have many people think you are a moron” have any real meaning to me? If you don’t alter your behavior based on what people think, why should you expect smokers to do so?

The OP was written by The Earth-Pig Born, not me. Now who’s got the reading comprehension problem?

I don’t have a whole lot to add to this wonderful thread, (go Alphagene!!!) but I would like to plead with The Great Gazoo to quit quoting entire fucking posts!!!
Thank you, that is all.

I don’t want to get cancer from your second-hand smoke, thats why I tell people like you to stop and I don’t smoke. You don’t seem to realize that when you smoke around other people it affects them too and thats why people keep telling you to stop. Smoking is one of the most disgusting, not to mention selfish habits I have ever witnessed.If you want to do something as stupid as smoking and slowly corrode your body keep it to yourself, don’t force innocent strangers to be a part of it as well.

No recreational sex? Does that mean you only have sex to procreate or is sex an integral part of your line of work?

I had a complete change of personality when I hit puberty - I turned into the most horrible person in the world. I spent the ages 14-19 angry at the world for no apparent reason. At 15, I took up smoking in a fit of adolecent, hormone-induced rage.

Smoking was something I took up to break my parent’s hearts, no other reason. As far as I was concerned, they were the enemy and this was my crappy spiteful way to get back at them for all my percieved injustices. I’ll show them! As non-smokers, they reacted in all the ways I wanted to see - with pain, with anger, with disbelief.

I did some terrible things when I was a rebellious teen, and my punishment is living with that. One day, when I was 19 years old, the fire of hormonal rage that had been burning in my belly went out, and I was suddenly left feeling flat, ashamed and guilty. I’ll never be able to make up for the horrible person I was as a teenager, and I feel awful about it all.

I made an immediate change in my ways. I ditched all my loser friends. Over time, I sought out my childhood friends and begged their forgiveness for hurting them. They forgave me, and welcomed me back, which I didn’t deserve but am eternally grateful for. I set about making amends with my family too, and gradually they came to realise I’d changed.

The one thing I couldn’t seem to do was quit smoking.

I really wanted to quit. I tried hard. Once, I worked on cutting myself down until I was only having two cigarettes a day. From there, I just needed to stop all together, not a huge jump… but I spent one day in the company of a smoker, and went back to all my bad habits instantly again. Weeks of work down the drain. I became despondant, thought I’d never be able to quit.

Just before I turned 20, I got sick. This affected me in many ways, but one of those ways was emotionally. I became nervous, paranoid and phobic. I relied on cigarettes to get me through the bad parts, to calm me when I started to get agitated. More than ever I became convinced that I would never be able to stop smoking. Yet I didn’t want to be a smoker either. I didn’t want to die of lung cancer. I didn’t want to get those lines around my mouth. I didn’t want to waste so much money that could better have been spent on other things. I just didn’t see how I could stop.

By the age of 22, most of my friends were non-smokers, but I still couldn’t seem to quit. Well, partly because I didn’t try, but that was because I didn’t know where to start. I did know that I didn’t want to be a smoking mother, and had set myself a rule that if I wanted to have babies, I’d have to quit smoking first. Over time I met the man I love with all my heart and started planning marriage, and the possibility of having children one day became more of a reality. I knew I’d have to quit, or go childless. I couldn’t, in good concience, allow myself to go through a pregnancy if I was smoking.

Six months ago, at 2am when I was unable to sleep one night, I strayed into a Straight Dope thread on quitting. I went there to see what they suggested, and saw that someone linked to SilkQuit, and recommended downloading the Quit Meter. Always the curious type, I downloaded it to see what it was, and entered my details when it asked. Then I pressed start, and it began clicking away. I was horrified when it rang up 1 cent after three minutes - my smoking cost me 1 cent every three minutes? That was shocking to me.

I didn’t have a cigarette before bed that night.

The next day, when I fired up the computer, the meter had been clicking over for 12 hours. I thought “Let’s see how long we can go without smoking today”. That evening, I dashed down to the shops to buy some lollypops to help me through. Over the next couples of days I went through the most awful agonies, and felt dizzy and light-headed most of the time. I didn’t give in, I just kept eating my lollypops.

After a week, the cravings eased enough so I could get through the day without curling up into a little ball. They were still constant, but not as invasive.

After a month, I knew I’d quit. I was still having trouble realising I was an “ex-smoker”.

Today, my quit meter reads:
Six months, one week, five days, 5 hours, 32 minutes and 29 seconds. 3924 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,242.79. Life saved: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 0 minutes.

I feel an enormous sense of achievement! I quit! I did it on my own, with the assistance of a computer program and Chupa-Chupp Lollypops. No patches. No gum. Cold turkey. I won! I can’t believe I won! I feel so good about myself for achieving what I had thought was impossible.

During the years I smoked, I sometimes had people approach me to tell me I should give it up because it would kill me. This served only to depress me. I knew I needed to quit. I hated being a smoker. I just thought that I wasn’t strong enough to do what I needed to do. Being told to quit smoking did nothing to help me. It surely wasn’t the thought of all those well-meaning strangers that got me through the hardest thing I’ve ever done.

My point is, you don’t understand what smokers go through. Your advice, while well meant, isn’t anything they don’t already know. In many cases they want to quit but don’t know how. Why even start in the first place? Well, I took it up at an age when I was confused and angry. I made a lot of other stupid choices at the same time, but didn’t have to live with the consequences of those in the same way. Yeah, I know I should never have started, but do you think Miss Cazzle, aged 15 would have listened? Not on your life. She was a stupid, horrible little girl, and I’m glad she doesn’t exist anymore. Her legacy was cigarettes, and I’ve finally beaten them. You didn’t need to tell me smoking was bad and stupid. I knew that all too well. But I guess that was part of the cosmic punishment dished out to me - there was nothing that could break my heart more than to be told to quit.

Today, at 6:03 PM EST, I celebrated one year of being smoke-free. I had been smoking more than two packs a day when I quit, and had been smoking for… um, well, a LONG time. (Not THAT long! I mean – heck – I’m not THAT old!) In the past year, I fell off my li’l wagon maybe three times, but only for minutes each time. I still love the smell of burning tobacco, and I LIKE being in the presence of smokers. Ok, so I’m insane, but is that really the point? :wink:

Btw, I rant only to those who are underage. I will never rant and rave to an adult who knows what s/he is doing to her/himself. Duh! I know how horrible smoking was for me! I know how hard it is. I send positive vibes to everybody who struggles with it.

Oh, and I allow smokers to “smoke in peace” – even in my home.

Um… and thank you to the very special person who helped me quit. You know who you are. :slight_smile:

Another light smoker chiming in. Yes, I know it’s bad for me. However, like many others, I don’t smoke around non-smokers (unless I know them well enough to know they don’t mind). I think my total cigarette count per day is maybe five or so. As was said, there’s a lot of middle ground there.

Anyway, once again, the OP takes place in a parking lot. A parking lot. I’m willing to guess that of the total amount of poisonous fumes in the air in the typical parking lot, cigarette smoke makes up the minority. If you’re upset that someone outside is smoking, you move along. I would think that the hag in question wasn’t hanging out in the parking lot for hours, getting annoyed at the smokers who were ruining that fresh outdoor air for her.

It seems obvious that she was ragging on him just to rag on him. Not because he was smoking in an elevator where she had no choice but to breathe it but just because, instead of leaving the parking lot after you park your car like a normal person (and thusly leaving the smoker), she saw a need to hassle him about his habit. That is rude.

As I said in my previous post (way back when) I have no intention of nagging smokers. I think cazzle’s thread perfectly illustrates why.

I don’t smoke, I never have. I’ve never tried illicit drugs, never have. However, I eat too much. Not as much as some people, but still, I am overweight because I eat too much. I’m not a “victim”, I know that too much food = fat. It’s my battle, and my vice. It never helps when people “remind” me of my fatness, I know I am fat, and I am struggling to lose weight. I am sure many smokers are in the same boat that I am. They know what they are doing isn’t great, but they are dealing with it (or accepting it) and they don’t need to be NAGGED about it. It is very rude, presumptious, and tacky to go up to a complete stranger and advise them on a personal matter such as this. It is the epitome of tacky. In in the case of smokers, there is no reason to confront them about their smoking, as long as they are not being inconsiderate (smoking inside your home, throwing their butts on the ground, etc.).

However, one comment on this thread (I forget the username of the person, forgive me) needs a response:

Unless your wife started smoking before (at the latest) 1964 (or was in '62?) there really isn’t any reason why she didn’t know what she was doing. The Surgeon General announced the dangers of cigarettes way back then. I looked it up a while back - I believe the warning labels were put on cigarettes in '62 or’64. There was increasing awareness of the dangers of smoking before 1964, (which finally pushed the Surgeon General to make the announcement).

If your wife started smoking before the dangers of smoking were widely known (which actually was well before 1964) then that is a different story. I hear that during WWII the army gave out cigarettes to soldiers. Obviously the attitude about cigarettes was different back then. But those days are WAY over. Everyone knows. Everyone knows before they start (as long as they can read!) what the deal with cigarettes are. They’ve known for a VERY long time.

This is not to say I think your wife “deserves” all the grief she may get. Nor do I think that any ailments she may get to be “what’s coming to her” or any other such mean-spirited nonsense. But please, please, please, don’t ever give me any “But she’s a victim!” crap about smoking. She made her choice, she made it young, but she made her choice. Any smoker who starts smoking when there are those little warning labels on each pack KNOWS. I won’t give smokers a hard time, I won’t be preaching any sermons, but PLEASE don’t try to pull out the victim card. It won’t wash.

Few things that I read make me laugh out loud. I’m still laughing.

Why the hype of the past years to patronize smokers?

If smokers smoke in their own home, why are they morons then?

Do all non-smokers realize they would have to pay far more tax- money if everyone quit?

Glad to be here. We have TRAINS with separate smoking areas. RESTAURANTS where you can smoke. And ofcourse the COFFEESHOPS where you can smoke & smoke. :slight_smile:

I thought that was part of the point of my post? I started smoking at 15, in 1992. I knew smoking could kill me, that cigarettes were addictive and all the other information, but I did it anyway. Why? Because I was bone-headedly stupid at 15. I was also mildly suicidal, and didn’t think I’d live long enough to face the consequences. I’m still the idiot who did it all, but my point was that it’s hard taking the conseuqences of a decision you made when you were too young and too stupid to think clearly. Whether or not the poster’s wife knew the facts on smoking, at 13 she was hardly old enough to make a rational and informed choice based on logic rather than emotion.

Also, I just wanted to say that any person who approaches a stranger to tell them to lose weight deserves a smack in the head. Who are you to take it upon yourself to make that judgement call with no idea of the overweight person’s medical history or current situation? This is yet another form of ignorance, and one that needs to be stamped out.

So you were playing the “stupid card”, not the “victim card”! There’s a difference!

The “Stupid Card” is “I was young and idiotic and I didn’t think of the future. Yeah, I knew cigarettes were bad for me, but I started smoking anyway. I was an idiot, and now I’m paying for it.” I can feel a lot of sympathy for that - I certainly wouldn’t give the “stupid card” person a hard time, or be a bitch to them. They have to struggle with their stupid decision, and I can feel sympathy for that. But it was their decision. And it was stupid.

The “Victim Card” is “I didn’t know! No one told me! Everyone around me smoked, I thought it was OK! I had no idea, and look! Now I’m hooked! Poor l’il old me!” Bull. Shit. Bullshit. Unless they started smoking before the '60s, THEY KNEW.

They made a choice. It was a stupid choice, I won’t give them a hard time about it. But I have actually heard people try to play the “victim card” about smoking, claiming (with wide-eyed innocence) complete ignorance of the dangers when they started smoking - and it won’t wash. Not at all.

Life-long non-smoker here. (And boy am I glad that, during my own rebellious teenager phase - which was much like cazzle described hers - I didn’t start.)

I think anti-smoking is a current American Aversion Fad. Americans (and possibly people everywhere, dunno enough about other countries to say) seem to have this need to look down on people and feel holier-than-thou. Smoking is just what we look down on now.

Now, as for the poisoning-our-atmosphere people: I have asthma[sup]1[/sup]. Terrible asthma. And it is triggered by poor air quality and strong odors, among other things. I’ve had asthma attacks triggered by walking through perfume departments or by people wearing too much scent. I’ve had attacks triggered by fumes in underground parking garages. Last week, I had a severe asthma attack triggered by - yes, this is true - the strong body odor of a man I shared an elevator with. Cigarette smoke definitely will cause an asthma attack for me, and has, if I breathe in a few lungfuls of it. (And now we see why I am glad I didn’t start: my lungs are crappy enough, thanks.)

But it has been years and years and years since I had an asthma attack triggered by smoking. Why? Because it is so easy to avoid smokers! They don’t smoke anywhere I have to be - I am not, in this country, likely to share an elevator with a person who is smoking. I will not be wandering through stores where people are smoking. And guess what: despite my stupid, hair-trigger asthma, I don’t have any problems with people who are smoking outdoors, because it is so easy to avoid their smoke or breathe carefully so I don’t breathe too much of it in. (Deep breath, hold breath, walk briskly, problem solved.)

So if smokers aren’t killing me (or at least sending me to the hospital), if they aren’t even bothering me, then why should they bother those who have healthy respiratory systems? Clearly they can’t be poisoning my atmosphere too damn much, or I’d be wheezing as we speak (well, type). Those of you who so firmly believe that Smokers Are Poisoning Us All, do you breathe different air than me? Or do you have more sensitive lungs than me? And if the latter, how do you live a normal life?

I just don’t get all this anti-smoking crusading. (Smoking is bad for health reasons, yes, I understand that, but yelling at strangers has nothing to do with that stranger’s health; it’s probably more likely to stop him from quitting than to inspire him to.) It’s so easy to avoid smokers and cigarette smoke in this country that no one should have a problem who an adult who smokes (courteously, that is). Only thing I can think is that people have problems with smokers because they need to have problems with someone. Smokers are just the current target.

[sup][sub][sup]1[/sup] Please do not tell me to exercise. I do, at least four times each week. I work very hard to control this, and am embarrassed enough about it that unsolicited medical advice drives me nuts. Thanks.[/sup][/sub]

I can’t believe I missed this post!

I smoke and have faced the same abuse as many smokers at the hands of fanatical, evil, born again nonsmokers who approach one with an insane gleam in their eyes and mouths moving in condemnation as soon as they spot one quietly enjoying a good smoke and bothering no one. They’re worse than those religious nuts who pester one at home or the main TV ministers who are convinced that everyone is going to hell unless you believe their way.

I watched an article on TV the other night concerning the Tobacco industry’s efforts to make a safer cigarette and the commentator was there to damn it by casting doubts not only on the industry but the efforts and enforce the claim that there should be no tobacco usage at all by anyone, anywhere at any time forever and ever and ever.

I wanted to punch him out. A safer cigarette would be good. Millions of us are still addicted and enjoy smoking. For many of us, who do not drink, it is our only vice. Funny, no one is racking up the very long list of evils caused by booze nor the simple fact that booze is an organic poison when abused.

No one is pointing out the vast amount of physical damage that booze does to the body, like wrecking the liver, kidneys, stomach, intestines, brain, and bladder. How hundreds of thousands of people are killed each year by drunk drivers and thousands more are injured and how thousands more become addicted to The Booze each year. Ask AA, whose ranks swell with new comers every year and the horror stories they tell and the families they wreck and the thousands who wind up with major organ failure and even some cancers in the hospitals each year.

You can guzzle booze down by the gallon in some restaurants but not smoke. You may guzzle booze in public, but not smoke. People do not cross the street to tell you about the evils of boozing as you fall out of the bar doors and wobble to your car, but they will for smokers.

They have near beer for boozers who no longer want to booze but enjoy the taste, but no near smokes for smokers. They even have low alcohol wines, beers and booze for drinkers, but no safer cigarettes for smokers. Booze is advertised in great, big, sprawling chunks with manly men who are young, sexy hunks having fun with a bevy of lovely, young, hard bodied, beautiful ladies while they booze it up and you just * know* that they ain’t planning on playing checkers later on in the day.

Without booze sellers, the major sports arenas would be half empty, a huge chunk of construction people could not work, city workers would stop working and a major part of the political machine would grind to a stop.

Yet, no one grumbles about the people dying from too much booze or booze related accidents.

Without booze, half of the spouse abuse cases would not even be. Without booze half of the gunshot cases would not be. Without booze half of the usual weekend beatings would not be and without booze, driving would be so much safer for everyone else. Without booze, around 1/4 of the drug abuse of pot would stop. Without booze most of the date rapes would not be and the cases of unwanted pregnancies would drop to around half. Sexually transmitted disease cases would probably drop by half and shootings at cops would probably drop as much.

Instead, the focus is on smokers, because the media has a hard on for them for some reason, probably because the booze makers are seeing to it that the reporters are well supplied with their favorite brands, knowing that they could be next on the attack list.

The tobacco industry makes billions a year, and so does the booze makers. People hold the tobacco industry responsible for encouraging them to smoke and lying to them, but the booze industry has done the same. The tobacco industry increased the amount of nicotine in the smokes and the alcohol industry increased the amount of alcohol in their drinks. The tobacco industry introduced light cigarettes and the booze industry created light beer, only the light smokes held less garbage, while the light beer only had less carbonation. That way, you could drink more and not get all filled up with gas and get drunker faster and cause more harm.

You would not believe what is added to the beer you drink either. The Beer industry does not have to list their ingredients and it’s probably a good idea because some beers would not get easily consumed if you knew what went into them. There have been no studies on the effects of these additives either, like have been done on tobacco.

So, when I sit out and have a nice smoke, you boozers leave me alone if you don’t partake of the tobacco, because you have no idea what you are doing to yourselves.

Besides, one more smart remark from a stranger and I might respond with my fist. After all, you are violating my civil rights.

Ahhh, I see it all so clearly now. Thanks for that!

But, UniversalGuy, the real question is: How do you feel about Blacks? Or Asians?