Let’s adapt Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! (spoilers)

So, Goblet of Fire (the movie) has come out, and there have been lots of discussions about how the novel was adapted, what was cut out, what worked/didn’t work etc. This has made me wonder how the powers-that-be will adapt the larger and more complicated Order of the Phoenix.

How would you adapt it? What should be left in/taken out?

One thing I think they should do is go straight from the Dementor attack to the Wizengamot trial. It would make it even more scary and confusing for Harry, making it natural for him to act in CAPS LOCKS. It would also set up Dumbledore’s odd behaviour a treat. What do you think?

I think it should be six hours long and have everything left in. Even Grawp :slight_smile:

Realistically, here’s what I would cut:

– Grawp and all associated subplots, including Umbridge and the centaurs (they could push her into the Weasley twins’ makeshift swamp or something).

– Rita Skeeter. I understand they cut the Animagus thing from GoF, so there’s no way to explain Hermione’s blackmail of her, and Hermione and Luna could just as easily write the article themselves.

– The “Snape’s Worst Memory” sequence. I hate the thought, because it’s one of my favorite parts of all six books, but they simply haven’t played up the Marauders’ backstory enough to have it make sense, and while this story arc has a great deal of impact on Harry’s characterization, it doesn’t have an equal impact on the plot.

Here’s what they better not cut:

– Luna. I will be highly annoyed if she doesn’t make it in.

– The Weasley twins’ dramatic exit.

– Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place. I want to see it. Besides, how will they explain R.A.B. and the locket in Book Six if we don’t know about the Blacks?

– Ginny’s character development, and the signs that she and Harry are getting closer. A few sparks between Tonks and Lupin would also be nice, although I’m not holding out a whole lot of hope on that front.

Here’s what is absolutely needed in the movie:

[ul]
[li]Harry defending himself against the Dementors[/li][li]Harry’s Trial[/li][li]An introduction to the Order (if only because otherwise the title is confusing)[/li][li]some indication of Black’s and Snape’s personal histories[/li][li]some introduction of Tonks (I suspect she’ll be important in Book 7 - plus, I just want to see who they’ll cast)[/li][li]Umbridge’s presence, and attempts to undermind Dumbledore’s authority[/li][li]Hagrid being sent to the giants, and returning with Grawp (again, I suspect this will be important in book 7)[/li][li]The attempt to arrest Dumbledore[/li][li]The showdown at the Ministry[/li][/ul]

I got rather bored with this part in the book, so I’m with Fretful I’m afraid for this one. On the other hand, they could do a little montage of all the characters preparing for war – Lupin meeting the werewolves, Hagrid meeting the giants, Snape looking sneaky.

There’s actually quite a lot of stuff in the book that is important, but which only needs to be mentioned in passing – it might require a lot of exposition though.

Oh, Snape’s Worst Memory ™. I wish it could be in too. But I can’t see how. Already they seemed to have downplayed the Oh-James-Potter-you-rascal subtext in the movies.

Tonks might be useful as comic relief. :slight_smile:

Im sure the demon steed thing will be cut. Its not necssary and they can get to the MoM using brooms.

As much as I hate to admit it, as she’s my favourite character, Ginny is simply not important at all. You could easily cut her and not affect the overall story. The shippers would go nuts, of course.

You could much more easily cut Cho (and honestly, I wish they would), but the screenwriters for GoF don’t seem to have gone that route. The boy-girl stuff is going to stay; it draws in the audiences.

I hope they don’t cut the thestrals. Thestrals are so cool.

OotP’s central plot theme is the school being crushed under the hand of Umbridge all the while the Death Eaters and Order joust in secret. Everything else needs to be cut away as much as possible.

(for reference, here’s the chapter summaries:)
http://blogs.salon.com/0001092/stories/2003/06/24/harryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenixChapterSummaryIndex.html

Here’s my start on cutting things down:

We open with Harry on trial, defending himself against Fudge. This scene gives us everything we need to establish: that there is a covert war on, that the ministry doesn’t believe Harry, and it allows us to get Umbridge in there from the start. The scene can be altered somewhat to recap the events missing from the end of GoF (Fudge doesn’t believe Voldemort is back: they are all suspicious of Harry for maybe having killed Cedric, etc.), it allows us to recap the Dementor attack without spending lots of time dwelling on it and playing out the scene.

From there, we briefly pass by the Department of Mysteries (we don’t see what Harry will see in the dreams, but a brief glimpse of it as well as the lighting) as yet unmentioned and go right to #12 and Sirus. We establish the Blacks, we establish the Order (Moody, Tonks, Lupin, Mundungus are all we meet, and briefly) they mention that Voldemort is seeking a secret weapon), and we establish the tension between Snape and Sirius. We probably briefly establish Kreacher. Hermoine and Ron are made prefects and Harry is jealous. OWLs are coming up.

From there, right to school, meeting Luna and an awkward bit with Cho again. Harry notices the Thestrals but not much time is spent on it: it’s just something weird (Hagrid relates it later). At the start of term, Hagrid is missing (this is only briefly mentioned). Harry realizes that even the students dont’ believe his story when Seamus rebuffs him. As the official speeches start, everyone expects Dumbledore to speak more but he barely gets a word out when the new order is established and Umbridge’s reign begins (much more obvious and directly taking power than in the book). The sorting hat unexpectedly begins signing its song of unity but Umbridge punches it down and cuts it short. Hermoine says that things don’t look good for this year with the ministry interfering.

And yep: it won’t be: we move right on to DAtDA class: Harry is sentanced to detention for refusing to lie. He meets Cho on the way out of class but Ron spoils it. Back in the common room, the twins are testing out their candies. That night he has his first dream about the as yet unnamed hall of the Department of mysteries: he’s there with Mundungus (minor character but we’ve established that he’s in the order) who is trying to sneak in while he watches (Mundungus seems aware of Harry but with him following orders): but he’s caught by the ministry. Harry’s scar burns and he wakes up.

Mentioning the dream during Quidditch practice to his friends, as well as the realization that he can feel what Voldemort is feeling (that was the scar burning). Hermoine doesn’t understand why one of Dumbledore’s friends would get arrested by the Ministry. Harry is interrupted by Umbridge who is outraged to have him spreading more rumors about Voldemort being back. She bans unapproved group meetings, ends practice, and drags Harry off to his awful detention experience. This is followed up that night by a letter from Percy praising Umrbidge and telling Ron to abandon Harry. Hermoine and Ron bicker and Harry is sick of it. It’s been a terrible day and he’s increasingly sick with his friends. The same dream of the hall again (no events, just the hall, but and this time increasingly creepy with a hint of Voldemort actually being there and watching him).

Harry tries to talk to Dumbledore about the dreams and Umbridge, but Dumbledore mostly kindly rebuffs him, seeming barely interested after catching himself. He does happen to offhand mention a strange room full of (something: exactly what he needed) to another teacher in Harry’s prescence. At the Hogsmede, angry at being brushed off, Harry vents to his friends and Hermoine surprises him: she thinks he should form a REAL DAtDA class and without really asking him (she’s a bit sheepish at this but why would she let THAT stop her: she’s Hermoine!) has invited a whole bunch of interested students. Harry is extremely angry at this… until he sees that Cho is also there.

His final protest later on in the common room is that he doesn’t know where to hold lessons with Umbridge watching everything and banning unapproved meetings. Enter Dobby, and Harry puts 2 and 2 together, finding the Room of Req (its much more flexible than in the books: they have to actually show how it will be filled with whatever one needs). Practice goes well and Neville really starts to shine, as does Ginny who is paying closer attention to Harry. But as they emerge from practice, they run into Seamus, who reveals the Phrophet showing that the Death Eaters have escaped from Azkeban. Seamus is starting to believe Harry more even if other kids still don’t. Neville is with them reading the paper and burns with anger at seeing the faces of the Lestranges (first time we’ve seen them too: they stand out from all the others). Harry realizes that Voldemort is happy, as happy as he’s been in years.

A bloodied Hagrid returns mid-class with Grubblyplank grumpily leaving with Umbridge there. Her bigotry is put on display as he tries to show everyone thestrals (no one can see them, and unlike the books, Hagrid never gets a chance to explain). Umbridge puts Hagrid on notice. Luna can see the thestrals.

Harry goes to bed… his bloodied hand still raw from Umbridge, and dreams of the hallway, being the snake, and Mr. Weasely getting attacked. He rushes to tell Dumbledore who seems shocked and then resigned: after whispering with his portraits (one in particular) he sends Harry and friends straight to the hospital using an unauthorized portkey.

Mr. Weasely is okay, and Mrs. Weasely is overjoyed… yet a little taken aback by Harry. When asked, they say that Dumbledore said not to tell Harry what Mr. Weasley was doing or where he was. Harry and friends listen in with extenable ears after being sent out in the hall: is Harry being possessed? This wonderment is interupted by the appearance of Neville, there to see is parents. Everyone is shocked and sad.

Back at #12, Sirius and Lupin tell Harry about Nevilles parents, Barty (who is mentioned to have been killed by the Dementors) and then hesitently tell him that Dumbledore is having him have lessons with Snape to block his dreams. Harry is angry that Dumbledore can’t just tell him himself and won’t tell him anything, but Lupin angrily insists and Sirius grudingly agrees even though it obviously frustrates him as well. Harry, Lupin, and Sirius all leave on angry terms.

Back at school, a frustrated Harry starts a fight with Malfoy which ends up getting Harry and the twins banned from Quidditch. But the pain is soothed by a great DA class… and the first kiss afterwards with a promise of a date in the Hogsmede. Harry’s mood perks up which carries him happily into his first lesson with Snape. Snape can’t bring his mood down and Harry is defiant, but Snape manages to wrest the image of the MoM from Harry’s mind. Harry suddenly realizes where the hall is: the lighting is the same as what he caught a glimpse of at the MoM.

The next day, the twins are in open rebellion and all hell is breaking loose as their creations terrorize the castle. In the midst of it all, ministry officials arrive to arrest Hagrid for speaking with giants: Hagrid whispers the truth to Harry and Hermoine before he is dragged off against Dumbledore’s protests.

Emboldened, reunited against Umbridge, and now realizing that Voldemort is after something in the MoM, Harry Hermoine and Ron, resolving to bring the truth to light, and Luna provides them with the means to do so. Unfortunately, Harry has forgotten his date with Cho and they have a huge fight over Hermoine. That night he dreams of opening the door and reaching the phrophecy room.

The paper is released with great success and umbridge and her decrees are outraged. Revenge comes: just as the class is learning patronuses, the DA’s cover is blown: Cho squealed (and gets payback from Hermoine’s spell)! Dumbledore is in trouble: the DA has been exposed by the sneak, and he’s also being charged with making an unauthorized portkey. When they try to take him, he flees. The twins also make their grand exit! Harry reveals that winning the Cup came with a substantial reward that he gave to them when it is wondered how they’ll make it out there.

The rise of the Inquisitional Squad begins, and with Dumbledore gone, Umbridge tries in earnest to break Harry, telling him he will never amount to any good and cannot be an Auror. McGonagal overhears and defends Harry, telling him that he will be an Auror no matter what it takes. Lessons with Snape go badly again and Harry catches a glimpse of his father acting like an ass as they battle. Snape throws this realization back in Harry’s face and cancels their lessons and that’s when Harry is hit with his vision of Sirius in the Department of Mysteries. Harry frantically assembles the DA and Luna suggests the thestrals given that Umbridge has everyone’s brooms. As they try to head off to the forest to find the thestrals, Umbridge, the squad, and Snape confront them. Harry tries to clue in Snape, who acts clueless and exasperatedly leaves to get Veritaserum as the triumphant Umbridge requests. Once he’s gone, the invisible thestrals appear startling everyone, a battle ensues, and the DA completely routes Umbridge and the squad as they escape onto the thestrals.

Reaching the MoM, Harry et al get through the spinny room and rush into the prophecy room where the Death Eaters laugh at them. Neville is livid but silent at the appearence of the Lestrange. Harry smashes the prophecies and his friend try to make their escape through all the various crazy rooms. As they run, the Order shows up (Moody, Tonks, Lupin, Sirius) to fight the Death Eaters. Sirius is killed by Bella in the execution room and Harry goes totally ballistic, tearing off after her with an equally vicious Neville in tow. Bella knocks Neville out and Harry starts to use the Cruicio on Bella (much more effective than in the book) but as she screams for her master… he appears. Dumbledore, however, appears to save Harry from him. Voldemorts’ attempt to possess Harry fails, and he escapes as the ministry arrives, and Dumbledore takes Harry away to explain things. As Harry leaves his office, we have the final discussion with Nick and then Luna: that’s just too poingnant to leave out. Harry wordlessly meets his recovering friends who embrace him. End of film.

I don’t know if that would fit in 2 hours, but I would definitely be satisfied with that adaptation. Nice work!

I thought most of it out timewise but it definately might stretch out of 2 hours, especially if the action set-pieces go on too long (like the first task in GoF). But it’s a start: anyone got suggestions on how else to cut and compress things.

For reference, here are the major things I cut out:

All Centaurs.
Divination and Trelawney.
The Order getting Harry from the Dursley’s.
Mrs. Figg (though I guess she could still testify at the trial)
Sturgis Podmore and Bode’s death.
Lockhardt (he could cameo in passing at the hospital)
Rita Skeeter
Quiditch
Weasel-King and almost every bit of Ron getting to do anything. :frowning:
Mrs. Weasley and cleaning the house and most of Mundungus’ backstory
Most extra conversations with Sirius in the fire
Grawp
Kreacher
most of Percy’s distance from the family
Sirius’ mirror (though it could perhaps be fit in quickly)
and some more perhaps that I forgot.

Wow, I really like the way you’re thinking, Apos! Here’s my take on it:

I love the idea of the first shot being a pan of Fudge, Umbridge, etc at the trial, looking angry. Have they caught LV already, the unsuspecting audience asks. Is Lucius to get his comeuppance at last? And then they pan to the middle of the room, where, to our surprise, poor HARRY POTTER is cowering! That would be an ace beginning, and, as you say, v. good for setting up the whole Ministry plot thread. However it might be a bit odd to have the Dementor attack only talked about.

Yes, I agree with the brief flash of the CORRIDOR. Grimmauld Place is a must. It would be nice to include the bit where Moody shows Harry the photo of all the dead people, and I like the boggart bit – it’s not really necessary though. Personally I would skip the prefect/OWLS bit as it doesn’t really fit in with the whole Umbridge/LV plots, which are primary.

It shouldn’t take too long to set this all up, I think. Luna is loony; no one believes Harry; DD is ignoring him; Umbridge is dreadful. I hope they keep her nasty business-speak speech in. I’d skip the sorting hat, and I don’t think it’s necessary for Umbridge to be so overtly belligerent at the beginning (unless you don’t mean she physically punches it down).

There’s always one ‘DADA teacher in the classroom’ scene in the HP films, it appears, and only one of Umbridge will be enough to set up her nastiness and her agenda. I would leave Cho and the CORRIDOR for now, and establish Umbridge with the detention. There (hopefully) will be plenty of time for lots of stuff later.

I would leave out Quidditch and leave the Umbridge bans till later – and probably Percy too, alas alack, as I do love his letter. I would have the first CORRIDOR dream here – or possibly after the Cho kiss – and only have Harry realising that he can see what LV sees when Arthur Weasley is attacked.

Oh bloody hell, the WEAPON story. I think you are right, this should be something mentioned in passing that can be brought up again. Could the DADA suggestion be in a scene with something else? A bit of Cho business, or Hermione and Ron flirting?

I would avoid all room of requirement stuff – just have the next scene in some classroom or other (with the assumption that there are so many classrooms Umbridge will have trouble finding them; besides in the film, she hasn’t banned this kind of thing yet. They all sign Hermione’s contract, do a bit of magic.

Thestrals yes… but as I would leave out all the giant stuff, it would be (yet another) class with Hagrid. And other stuff will be mentioned – eg that everyone is getting very good at DADA. And Hermione and Ron flirt again. Maybe.

Yep – this is a vital scene and really set-piecy. Once again, Harry thinks DD is behaving v. oddly and is annoyed.

I would skip all the hospital bit (it is v. fluffy in the book, anyway), and have Harry et all overhear the possession discussion at Grimmauld. Actually, although I love the possession idea, it could be completely taken out as it turns out to be a red herring.

I would do this differently. Have a nice Xmas scene, then have Snape turn up and ruin everything. He tells HP about the Legilimency lessons. Which segues back to school nicely.

I would leave out all Quidditch stuff. And have the Cho kiss before Arthur gets done for.

DD’s exit is tops and definitely should be included. I would leave out the Quibbler bit, and possibly tone down the twins’ stuff slightly – just include it as part of the general chaos that occurs when DD is off.

ALL the MoM stuff should be in, IMHO; it probably takes a great deal less time to film than to write, for one thing. DD explanation can be cut a little, but is still important; as is Luna’s. I like the ending! Apos, you’ve clearly thought a great deal about this. A man/woman after my own heart!

Should they try to work in the OWL’s? It seems somewhat odd to cut that, since the characters were going nuts over it in the book and the examinations were rather important to the characters, if not the overall plot. OTOH, that’;s just it: they’re not directly connected to the overall plot.

On The Other, Other Hand, it wouldn’t have to be long, though. The major reason to do it is to remind the audience that Harry has a special gift for DAtDA, thus setting him, not Dumbledore, as Voldemort’s true nemesis later on. Then again, does the audience need that?

On the Other, Other, Other Hand, I think it could slip back in through by tying, as in the books, the scene to Umbridge’s bullying. You could show Umbridge being obsequious to the testers, then bullying to the children about to be tested, telling them she’ll punish them if they don’t perform. Later on, use the scene atop the astronomy tower (where Harry et. all and the testers see Umbridge and her minions nearly kill McGonagal). A quick note that the Ministry won’t let any word o this out, and BAM! Umbridge looks even worse than before. I’d say this would take about 6-7 minutes.

If they reword this prophecy like they did the last one, I will not be happy.

I think not, and that’s why I think we need to largely chop out the OWLs. They establish nothing that we can’t get at another way. Harry’s proficiency at DaTDA is more than well established by the DA itself. We’re already spending tons of time establishing the Umbridge/teacher conflict (though having her blast McGonagal might be a worthwhile add-in at the end.

It is a lot of fun, right? Too bad we weren’t around to script out GoF for them. :slight_smile:

That’s an even better opening! The audience might well expect it to be Barty Crouch on trial: pehaps that could be who we are made to think we’ll see on trial: then we find out that he’s dead and it’s Harry left holding the bag.

We could flash back to it, but then I’m not sure the Dementor attack really even needs to be there at all. What does it add to the central themes really? It could be mentioned, but using it means having to work in extraneous characters like Figg and Dudley. Umbridge can be made out to be slime in so many other ways.

My thinking on the prefect thing was that it sets up the dramatic tension between Harry and his friends, making their interactions a little more interesting and giving their friendship another dramatic arc. In the previous books/movies, they’ve been jealous of Harry’s fame and centrality. In this book, the major theme is Harry’s isolation and jealousy of THEM.

My thinking was that I really like the hat because it takes us back to the beginning and establishes the whole “unity” thing that starts to pay off later. Umbridge bashing it out of the way early serves two purposes: it cuts the scene with the hat shorter (so we don’t have to bother with a whole song) and it establishes that she is a testy buerrecrat who hates being upstaged or interrupted and who has no time for the whimsical traditions of Dumbledore and Hogwarts.

Yeah, when thinking this all out, one of my primary issues was Umbridge. It’s hard to avoid having her there doing something nasty, breaking into things, and punishing people in virtually every single scene: that could get redundant, hurt the flow of things, and really take the focus off the other interesting subplots.

My rationale for having him catch onto LV earlier is to heighten the urgency he feels. The books can create this sort of creepy mystery. In a movie, though, I think things have to be made much more apparent: Voldemort is actively on the move, Harry has insight into it, and yet the Ministry and even Dumbledore seem to be dragging their heels and denying him.

I liked the tension with Hermoine setting it up at Hogsmede. It allows yet another instance of him feeling a little pushed around by her but then Cho defuses that nicely. As for the weapon, I agree: a passing mention to set Harry’s mind worrying at #12, which then ties nicely into the fear that HE is the weapon (that’s why everyone is afriad of him).

I figured the giant stuff can get in there without wasting too much screen time: when Hagrid returns all beaten up we don’t have to spill the beans. It’s a good pretext for him getting kicked out of school and arrested (thus getting him out of the way, and having that happen frees us up from having to worry about Trelawney. Which reminds me: we probably DO need to get McGonnagal out of the way earlier. She could get knocked out in her confrontation with Umbridge over Harry’s Auror ambitions.

But then we get no real Malfoy scene. Setting the fight up after Quidditch and having Harry bans explains why there is no Quidditch, as well as why the twins are so eager to leave.

But the Quibbler important for Luna’s character, and I think it’s a great cinematic moment: this is where Harry and his friends reunite to fight Umbridge and where the tide turns.

Well, the decisions – or most of them – have already been made. Here’s what the producer David Heyman and some of the actors have teased us with in public interviews (I’m sorry if I’m repeating someone – only had time to skim the thread):[ul][li]Grawp is in[/li][li]Rita Skeeter is out – completely out. Yes, I’m as surprised as you are. Filming hasn’t started yet – think we could lobby?[/li][li]Luna is in, will be played by an unknown, and will be chosen very soon (they have her narrowed down to a few).[/li][li]Umbridge is in, naturally.[/li][li]Thestrals are definitely in.[/li][li]The actors who played the trio will be back. But only five actors have signed contracts so far.[/li][li]Lucius Malfoy is in, and in fact Jason Isaacs was the first actor to be signed.[/li][li]This is the only script that was not written by Steve Kloves.[/ul][/li]
That’s all we know, last I checked (last week).

Steve Kloves is about to begin the script for Half-Blood Prince. Maybe we should have a thread on that, too :slight_smile:

Not surprised about Skeeter at all. She just isn’t worth the time, and they didn’t do enough last time to fit her angle into the story.

Grawp, I’m afraid, is probably in largely because they value having the maximum amount of CG masturbation over story elements.

I would do the heretical and cast Umbridge as played by an American actress: Louise Fletcher aka Nurse Mildred Ratched of ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.’ When I started reading OoTF that’s who her character morphed into as I was reading her dialogue. (Well, she really morphed into Kai Winn Adami, but… same difference.)

I’m afraid, Askia that Umbridge will be played by imelda Staunton, another Brit. I’ve only ever seen her in Shakespeare in Love, but I remember she can act, whcih is the important thing :slight_smile:

Whoever plays her has to be comfortable with playing a character described as a sort of plump, wrinkly toad.