Three posts of your moralizing to days-old posts is really a bit much. I thought he acted like a jerk, but jeez, enough.
I did no such thing.
I did no such thing. Nobody else was condemning her either.
No I didn’t.
No I didn’t. And her response supports ME. I don’t think she saw it that way. Read her comments.
You simply misread me, and the other poster. YOU are the one who overreacted.
As long as you don’t understand what you’re reading, and refuse to listen when someone explains that you’re wrong, you’re going to be wrong on this board. And you are wrong.
Since I have a family member with a disability, you can rest assured that I know how to talk to and about them.
I think the fact that I’m not afraid to talk straight, and treat people with a disability like real people, and tell them what I think without dancing around them like they’re delicate little flowers, is why you misunderstood me.
You misread me. You overreacted. You refuse to listen. That’s your problem, not mine.
No I didn’t.
He wasn’t antagonizing anyone.
Sorry, no. Multiple people can be wrong.
Sure. And you are acting like an asshole.
*I’ll inform the cripple in my family of your intentions. I’m sure that will change how I’m such an asshole to people with disabilities.
Don’t antagonize the cripple!
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I’m not telling you what to do, I’m just giving you suggestions and encouragement. It seems that you have run out of solutions for your problem, so I’m suggesting new possibilities, just like other posters have.
Just curious.
I get it. She has a problem that can’t be solved by people noticing her on the tube because it’s crowded. I suggested a simply and normal solution that most people with disabilities use. Perhaps she wasn’t interested in hearing suggestions, but she shouldn’t be surprised if she gets them.
You misunderstand me.
I care deeply what I think of MYSELF. I judge myself by that. Not by what you think, because you’re wrong about me. See how that works?
I did no such thing. That’s utter, complete bullshit.
I consider making false and unsupported claims against someone to be a violation of ethical principles, Christian and otherwise. Especially when you’ve been repeatedly told you’re wrong. You owe me an apology for that.
No, most people don’t use your brilliant “solution” where I live because it’s not actually a solution, not at rush hour. I’ve said this a few times now, and other people who live in London have backed me up. I’ve also - repeatedly - said that I don’t mind being offered advice, but I don’t like being told I MUST take it.
Please, please stop telling me what to do while demonstrating that you’re not reading my posts.
When it’s possible to use this solution, people often use it. If it’s impractical, I understand. My point is that it’s not offensive to suggest it. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. You hadn’t explained that it’s not a workable solution in your OP, so I and another poster suggested it.
The only reason I’m still talking about it is people are attacking me for bringing it up in the first place.
How you think I’m telling you you MUST take my advice is beyond me. I don’t think I’ve said anything like that. Of course not. And I have also - repeatedly - said that I am not telling you what to do.
You (and others) have obviously misunderstood me, so it’s possibly I misunderstood you. That’s different from not reading your posts. Misunderstandings happen.
If you keep telling me to do something, then yes, that is you saying that i MUST do as you suggest. It’s disingenuous of you to claim you’re not telling me what to do.
No, I think you’re simply mistaking what I’m saying, though I can’t see how. Here’s my first few posts, in which I was pretty clear that I was merely suggested, not ordering (words indicating this are in bold):
Other posters made similar suggestions using similar language and you didn’t object.
Perhaps I was sloppy or too direct with my words in the posts that followed. Perhaps I got impatient. Perhaps you read my words differently because you are British and I’m American. Perhaps you’re reading too much into them. I don’t know. But I have since explained that it was never my intent. So now you know. So please don’t be disingenuous in claiming that I intended to tell you what to do.
When someone is in terrible chronic pain, worsened by inadequate public transportation and the obliviousness and/or rudeness of the general public, my advice is always to suggest that they bring about a major social and political transformation with respect to people with disabilities. Clearly they have too much time on their swollen and painful hands.
I also have very useful advice for battered women and starving children. Let’s get a move on here people! Society doesn’t change itself you lazy bastards.
Curiously, the miscreants never respond well to me. I consider that yet another one of their problems.
Have you considered cutting right to the chase and telling people to stop being sick? As far as I know, this works perfectly. The person will never again talk to you about their issues. Or, you know, anything. 
It’s more fun to taunt the starving children with the promise of delicious food if only they would have the courage to tackle the inequities of global capitalism.
Now the battered women I hold responsible for the violence. If they don’t like it, why can’t they just say something?
When someone with a disability has a problem, and after inquiring I find that they have no easy solution except one that involves accomodations, I often suggest that they become active and stand up for their rights and join with others to win those accommodations.
No, really - I’ve been involved with several disability rights organizations. It’s what we do.
People with disabilities are not frail helpless creatures. Most are capable, and willing, to stand up for themselves. Most of the accomodations - like the fucking seats on the tube we’re talking about - were won this way, by people with disabilities advocating for themselves with the help of the rest of us.
And the next time you watch some documentary or whatever about it, you’ll be cheering them.
In fact, here’s one: Lives Worth Living | Documentary about Disability Rights Movement | Independent Lens | PBS
Look at all those poor people with disabilities speaking up for themselves and demanding stuff!
Yet you act like it’s a bad thing to suggest it.
It really boggles the mind how completely fucked up some people are on this thread. To think that suggesting that a person with a disability stand up for her rights would be considered a bad thing. What exactly is wrong with you people?
Lots of battered women have formed groups to stand up for their rights and change the laws. You got a problem with that too?
Obviously starving children haven’t, but most people with disabilities aren’t helpless starving children - they are capable of speaking for themselves. That you think people with disabilities are all helpless and weak and can’t possibly speak for themselves says something about you, not me.
One of the most important attitudes we in the disability community have worked to overcome is the idea that people with disabilities are helpless and can’t speak out for themselves and can’t do anything to help themselves. It’s bullshit. Don’t perpetuate it.
People with disabilities have already gained all kinds of things by speaking out. They are not starving helpless children.
Well, no, nobody is holding SciFiFan responsible for her disability. Don’t get too zealous that you say stupid things.
A better comparison is a hotline for battered women to call for help. Suppose a battered woman came to this board, and I noted that there are hotlines she could call and I gave her a number.
Would you bash me for that? Would you say I’m blaming the victim?
You really need to stop and think about how ridiculous you’re being.
I’m fairly certain that SciFiSam will understand that I was not suggesting that people with disabilities are helpless or incapable of advocating for themselves.
Sure sounded like you were saying she’s too disabled to do anything to help herself.
Somehow she can ride the tube to work, but she can’t ride it to City Hall to demand something?
But if that wasn’t what you meant, what’s your problem with me suggesting it?
She has a problem. There doesn’t seem to be a solution save going to advocate for one with the authorities. I suggested she do so. That’s normal - most people have had to do just that in a democracy. Most of the accomodations for the disabled were won that way by people with disabilites speaking up for themselves. Yet all you can do is suggest that it’s rude for me to cheer her on to speak for herself because she’s just too frail?
I’m suggesting that you are an arrogant and tone-deaf asshole, as most recently evidenced by your claim to be “cheering” her on. Have the respect and courtesy to read her responses and take her at her word. She sounds pretty damn uncheered by your support.
Don’t try to drag her into this. She could be just as mistaken as you are.
YOU said that I was wrong to suggest that disabled people stand up for themselves. YOU made SciFiFan sound like a frail little helpless starving child. YOU are the one who seems to think people with disabilities can’t, or shouldn’t be expected to, speak up for their rights. YOU are the one who put that tired old attitude on full display.
I wonder if you have a response to my post about suggesting that a battered woman pick up the phone and call a battered woman’s hotline. Is that arrogant too? Would you do it?