Slight? Sure.
You know, complaining about the refs is bush league. Unless you’re Oklahoma in Oregon the year of our Lord 2006, you have no complaint.
This is like a silly law school exercise in putting the facts in a favorable light. Alabama lost, whereas Oklahoma State lost on the road, in double OT, on a back to back! And a short week! And the mighty Cyclones had a bye week to prepare!
How much of the Alabama-LSU game did you watch, just out of curiosity?
All of it, thank you. And no one outside of the SEC wants to watch it again, begging your pardon.
Oh goodness, yes. That had to be the worst call I’ve ever seen in football.
Oklahoma State has not, in fact, lost to LSU this season.
Sure. And for the inconsistent ad hoc way that people complain about the national championship and especially the SEC every year, that’s a fine rule for this year. But it isn’t really how the national championship game works. The two best teams are supposed to play. To the extent that there’s any consensus on the issue, there’s an agreement that the two best teams are LSU and Alabama.
I noted that the circumstances are irrelevant to my opinion on the rematch. The only thing they are relevant to is my opinion on the relative strength of the teams.
LSU rolled into Alabama and beat them in their own stadium. Close game or not, that ends the debate. Alabama was given the advantage and still lost.
Oklahoma State lost on the second game of back-to-back road games, in double overtime, on short rest, against a team coming off a bye. Those are very significant disadvantages, so the game is not decisive in my eyes for determining relative strength.
I probably watched about a half hour (tv time) of Alabama-LSU. Which was a half hour too long, and a half hour more than most of the voters in the coaches’ poll which decided the BCS title game.
Where have you seen me complaining about the SEC? LSU is absolutely the number one team in the country. No Question.
And they’ve already defeated Alabama.
IMO, Bama should not penalized because Oklahoma State was foolish to schedule a Friday away game after another road game.
Okie State could have nixed that Friday game, but they wanted the exposure and the money. And bit them in the ass.
And Penn State had one loss all year, until the scandal. And that loss was against Alabama. A Paterno led Penn St was on their way to a division title (whatever one that was) until the shit hit the fan.
IMO, the PSU argument doesn’t hold a lot of water, but it holds a lot more water than the pathetic excuse of two road games in a row, the second one on a short week. Boo fricking Hoo. Okie State played 12 games in 14 weeks, while teams with conference championship games had to play 12 games in 13 weeks. Okie St had more flexibility.
It is not Bama’s fault that OkSt does not have CFB Scheduling 101 as an elective course.
All the SEC haters have been waiting for 5 years for the SEC to lose a BCS Championship Game.
They got their wish. An SEC team is guaranteed to lose the BCS Championship Game.
Uh huh. And it’s simply coincidence that the SEC has 6 votes in the coaches poll (including both Miles and Saban) while the Big 12 has 5. There’s no way in the world that could account for the .0086 difference between the teams.
Consensus, my ass.
As I’ve said twice, the circumstances of Oklahoma State’s loss are irrelevant to whether Alabama deserves another shot at LSU after losing at home.
Hint: they don’t.
The circumstances of a loss are, however, relevant to opinions on the relative strengths of the teams involved.
Yet another reason rankings shouldn’t come out until the end of the year.
Penn State beat exactly zero of the top 5 teams in the Big 10. None. That is even worse than Alabama only beating a single 1 of the top 5 teams in the SEC, and much worse than Oklahoma State beating all 4 of the top 5 teams in the Big 12 not named Oklahoma State.
Penn State’s early record was based on barely getting by Temple and Indiana. The fact that those early meaningless wins gave a boost to Alabama is just another example of the stupidity of the BCS.
Username/post combo!
Again, I point out what few here have been willing to acknowledge: Bama lost in overtime by a narrow margin to the #1 team in the nation. Oklahoma State lost by a narrow margin in overtime to a completely unranked dog of a 5-loss Iowa State team. Sad trombone sound, folks. That was the determining factor to quite a few of the voters.
You’re right. Okie St. should have scheduled more creampuffs.
Let’s not kid ourselves; the only reason Alabama us playing in the NCG is because they’re in the SEC. If we’re going to play this game, then why didn’t Michigan get their rematch with OSU back in 2006? Surely they were more deserving of it than was Florida.
Again, I point out what few here have been willing to acknowledge: Bama lost in overtime by a narrow margin to the #1 team in the nation in a nationally spotlighted game that every pundit was calling the game of the year, after having come in strapped to the hilt.
Oklahoma State lost by a narrow margin in overtime to a completely unranked dog of a 5-loss Iowa State team, on the day they learned two of their family members had died in tragic circumstances.
Are you two serious?
SEC fans, of all people, are going on about haters?
When Ohio State and Michigan were headed for a rematch, wasn’t everybody against that? Didn’t the SEC get their team in as a replacement, to everyone’s approval?
When Alabama got stomped into the mud by Utah, did the media hold that over them like Oklahoma with Boise State? Or is it forgotten, the aura of invincibility back to full power?
Did anybody not think the SEC deserved a representative in the BCS title game?
Say what you like, but you can bet your last dollar that the difference in the vote came down to one thing and one thing only: the quality of the team’s loss. And on that front, Bama wins, hands down.
That the SEC has 6 votes in the coaches poll, while the Big 12 has 5.
You were saying?
Very few things are as simultaneously boring and frustrating as having to defend myself from the charge of “complaining SEC fan” because I’m not actively hating on the SEC. I went to Florida State and that’s where my allegiance is, and I live in Philadelphia. I don’t actually give a shit what you think about the SEC. So I’m just going to state my opinion and move on.
I didn’t say anything about the coaches’ poll. I’m talking about people in the world in general. Based on what I’ve heard, I think most people believe Alabama and LSU are the two best teams.
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Where have you seen me complaining about the SEC? LSU is absolutely the number one team in the country. No Question.
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No, you’re complaining about the BCS, which people do every year. But every year, the grounds for the complaints and the acceptable solutions change. Some years we need a plus-one, some years a four-team playoff is OK, some years it has to be eight. This time the travesty du jour is that you can’t have a rematch. It’s not really because Oklahoma State deserves everyone to be up in arms about them – Oklahoma State having lost to Iowa State – but because they’re the most plausible other guy. If Houston hadn’t just gotten the crap kicked out of them, people would be pretending Houston deserves a shot at the national championship. They wouldn’t, really, they’d just be the thing people were using to express their dislike of the BCS.
Everyone hates the BCS, and lots of people think the idea that the SEC has better teams is upheld by conspiracy. I’m not arguing with anybody about that. But instead of just saying they hate the BCS and want a different system, they pretend that under the current system Alabama is somehow undeserving, even though it’s supposed to be that #1 plays #2. All I’m saying is that it is completely reasonable that #1 and #2 could have already played each other in a year where nobody in any other conference managed to put together an unblemished record. If you want to play the “had their chance” card, play it on the teams who lost to mediocre teams in their own conferences.