Gosh, in good old Davestyle I should just cut and paste the dictionary.com definitions of “sniper” and “tower” here, but I won’t.
Keep fighting, Davey-boy!
-Joe
Maybe you should try looking up the dictionary definition for “sarcasm” because it seems obvious that the word means nothing to you.
He was for shooting before he was against it. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
I looked at the dictionary and there is an entry for “Weirddave calling sarcasm” = v. “backpedal” 
Really, as hard as you try to tap dance it away, your first post referred to shooting people to defend the border, no other choices like arrest and deportation there until you explained it was supposed to be sarcasm.
Regarding the Minutemen, I do think the ACLU and other anti-minutemen groups by literally putting a spotlight on them, prevented so far the racist and trigger happy members from acting up, even so, there are examples of abuses and the origins of these groups are not something to commemorate: http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/arizona_border_update52105.htm
As soon as I found that authorities are informing the Mexican authorities on the location of the Minutemen and reports of Minutemen trigging too many false alarms, It is more likely to me that the calling of the army reserves has more to do in preventing a nasty encounter, an encounter that history has shown it happens when asshats like in the OP cite stir the passions.
Because we’re not East Germany? I appreciate that you think securing the borders is vitally important, although I think the issue has been blown vastly out of proportion lately. But it’s not important enough to justify taking a human life. Stop them from coming over. Fine them. Arrest them. Sure, whatever. Kill them? That’s inhuman.
For your future information, the next time you wish to backpedal slightly from a disgusting, inhumane, and uncivilized stance: the word you were groping for was “hyperbole”. Not that anyone would buy that either.
Well Frank, and the rest of you who want to classify me as “backpedaling”, the next time you come across a statement from someone directly in response to an over the top statement from someone else, you might want to wash it through the following filter. Is it unrealistic? Is it outrageous? Is it crazy? Is it far, far beyond the bounds of common human decency so as to be ridiculous? If so, you might just want to consider that it is sarcasm(or hyperbole). The US has 6000 miles of land borders and 2000 miles of shoreline. How could we seriously build a sniper tower every 500 yards? How could we build sniper towers across the Great Lakes, or through the Rocky Mountains(with any sight lines for them to be effective, of course). How could these sniper towers cover the areas deep within the canyons of the Rio Grande? What good would a sniper tower do at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay against all the shipping that passes? I suggest that all of you, in your rush to judge and condem, have completely missed the obvious. I’m not “backpedaling”, I’m explaining endlesly sarcasm that should have been obvious to bein with, and at the same time you’ve done a very nce job of ignoring, again, the very real issues I have brought up. These issues were clarified in my post # 68. Would anyone care to comment on them? I’ll quote myself again:
Does anyone care to comment on that, rather than blindly attacking a position I do not hold?
My cat’s breath smells like cat food.
It is you who is ignoring that I said virtually the same thing as your post # 68, what it is also notorious is that you willfully ignore the “post with no substance” OP that is the reason why this is going on. As I can see the need to protect the borders, I also see the need to call out asshats that unfortunately have an audience that considers that piece of crap article to be serious reporting or opinion. Care to comment? Will you also ignore what the ADL had to say about the Minutemen?
Yeah I will give it a go. New Zealand has NO land borders. Not A One. But we have an overstayer “problem”. New Zealand is obviously 100’s times smaller then the US but we have a similar issue, some people like our country more then their own country and who could bloody blame them!
The US and NZ and Australia and Canada etc…“the new world” have advertised themselves as such. They would not be ANYTHING if it wern’t for immigration. Well they would, they would be the homes of the Indians (Native Americans), Maori and Aboriginies.
In the early 80’s New Zealand went on OVERSTAYER ALERT. Families had their homes raided in the wee small hours so anyone over their visa could be sent home.
It was a “great” poilcy. It was almost always racialy based. Samoan. Tongan, Fijian.Overstaying bastards! English? Hmmmmm not so much. It sent home overstayers. It also made for many unhappy families, citizens, groups. It was a miserable time.
New Zealand continues to have 1000’s of overstayers. We can’t shoot them at the border (can you shoot someone coming on holiday to visit Auntie Lee? NOOOO!) many, many, many of our visitors have no intention of leaving. As a “desirable” country we have to enforce the laws when we can can and enjoy the productivity when we can’t.
So, the moral of the story is: When Dave says something truly stupid, it’s ‘hyperbole’, ‘exaggeration’, or ‘sarcasm’ and should be ignored.
I suspect the sound of lots of crickets from over that way about now.
Ah well, sounds better to me.
-Joe
If they PLAN to become employees and have the owner’s permission to be in the building, they’re fine. I’m still working with the “employer/employee/building” metaphor here.
As a note, I think the “they’re taking our jobs!” vs “they’re doing the jobs we won’t do!” is a red herring. They’re not taking upper management jobs, for one thing… and for another, I know and have known plenty of “uppity americans” who have been plenty glad to find work in landscaping, field labor, construction…
If the building owners are paying the potential employee under the table, they are both breaking the law. It doesn’t matter if they’re doing it for “good, law-abiding citizens” (I don’t know why you keep putting things in quotes, as though I had demonstrated the kind of prejudice you seem to be trying to imply) or Death Row inmates - it’s against the law to pay someone under-the-table.
If the person in question is in the process of becoming a legal employee - and has the owner’s permission to be in the building - they’re not legally trespassing.
The quotes on “legitimize” were to distinguish between you considering it valid on a personal level so far as your opinion on the subject goes and you saying it is/should be considered legal by the government.
The Great Loofah King is weighing in, with his own learned opinion…
http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170006
Hmmmm. White christians. White power.
If it looks like a nazi, if it walks like a nazi, if it quacks like a nazi,
it’s a nazi.
But you said that considering that some of these who are crossing the border are innocent children is just my “mindless rhetoric.” Are you using rhetorical bullets in your guns or will deadly force be used on those very real children?
I’ve seen film of children crossing the border. They are real! Do you want to slaughter the innocents? Will you slaughter their parents before their eyes? What kind of man are you?
You are what is truly mindless here!
You are not thinking straight You have some sort of cyber-echolalia from an unknown source. Save yourself. You are basically brain-dead.
With you, who can tell?
O’Reilly talks about White Power. Gibson talks about how we need to make more White babies. Vox Day recommends the Germans’ “final solution”. Mike Wiener Savage is saying something or other. Skinheads are marching in anti-immigration “rallies”. How fucking dense do people have to be to not see what this is?
It’s not racist, it’s about keeping America American. Duh. Now if only we could find a way to keep darkies from voting.
Oh, I mean keep those with low-riding cars who lean too far back in their seats from getting driver’s licenses. Then require state ID to vote. Maybe put in a reading test, too.
Everyone make sure to bookmark this thread so that next time WeirdDave throws a hissy fit about someone making a comparison he doesn’t like he can be reminded to run it through his “filter”.
-Joe
What’s interesting is that GWB has made this issue into a diversion from the real problems facing America now- the War and the Deficit- in which both issues he was taking a such a HUGE lambasting in the press and in the public opinion that he had some lackeys in the House come up with a Immigration bill that no one expected to pass, but was guaranteed to cause lots of debate and acrimony. And, it’s working very very well. IMHO, of course!
As far as I’m concerned, those calling for immigrants to be shot are Nazis, period. I don’t mean they’re Deutscher Nazionalsozialist partisans of the 1930’s. I mean they’re hardcore violent nationalists. The epithet “Nazi” fits in this case more than it usually does. And while I should be nice, try to convince people with honey instead of vinegar, I’m sick of it. Call a spade a spade. They’re Nazis.
As someone who advocates population control, I wonder if the sort of rhetoric being used by anti-immigration types would help. Say, in China in the days of the one-child policy:[MOCK=Weirddave]How about this? If you want to breed in this country, do so legally, and you’re more than welcome. MORE than welcome. If not, KEEP YOUR LEGS FUCKING CLOSED! Jesus, is that so hard? When this issue comes up all we hear is the canonization of people who are, by their voluntary actions, choosing to become criminals. It’s sickening. The first duty of a sovereign nation is to conserve its resources. We’re failing miserably at that. They have no right to make babies, reproducing is a privilege that we are granting them. I’m all for granting them that privilege, as long as they follow the legal means in place to do so. If they want to try and rut like common animals, I got no problem with the armed forces of the U.S. doing their job and defending our borders with force, that’s what you do against pests after all. If I tried to breed hundreds of jackals in downtown Shanghai, I would fully expect the Department of Animal Control to shoot me down, and they would have every right to do so.[/MOCK]No, just sounds stupid.