Let's pit Dopers who engage in debate with Starving Artist

Because you’re wrong. Further, yours is a faith-based assertion, you haven’t the slightest proof, when pressed, you offer your life experiences and what you are pleased to think of as your “common sense”.

With perfectly equal substantiation, one can offer the opposite scenario: that misery is the cause of drug proliferation, not the result. America drinks, and wraps its cars around trees, America drinks, and beats the wife, America drinks, sickens and dies.

Alcohol is America’s drug of choice, an astonishingly irrational choice, but there you have it. Nothing else even comes close, not within light years. Prohibition, however misguided, was not a result so much of a Puritan/Calvinist distrust of pleasure but the easily observable fact that alcohol was the curse of the working class, a rampant destroyer of men and their families.

Sexual permissiveness? Been there, done that, up to my eyeballs in hippies. You know what happened? They paired off, got married, and made babies. They became Mom and Dad, and, in the fullness of time, Grandma and Grandpa. As it ever was.

Are there consequences to such “permissiveness”? Sure. But my life experience and uncommon sense tells me that the consequences of ignorance and repression are far, far worse. We fight ignorance for a reason, because ignorance is dark and destructive.

Forbid drink, and people will still drink, but they will enrich gangsters and drink whatever poisonous crap they brew. Forbid abortion, and women will die in alleys and taxicabs. Forbid drugs, and people will still get high, they just will buy their drugs from thugs. And just try to forbid sex! That’s you against the Goddess and buddy, you ain’t got a chance!

Its not so much that permissiveness is so great, its that the oppression that is its opposite is so destructive and futile. Let the sunshine in.

Well I can certainly get on that bandwagon.

On edit: luc, I’ve been mulling over whether I should even bother reading this thread. Thank you for the excellent reminder of why it’s worthwhile.

You have been directly proven wrong on several of these points, several times. You have been shown that public education today is better than in the 50s. You have been shown that teen pregnancy was at its peak between Reagans presidency and Bush I’s term, and made its biggest decline during Clinton’s term to be lower than it was in the 50s. You have never made a legitimate connection between AIDS and liberalism. You can not back up your claim that crime is connected to liberalism. You certainly have never made a legitimate connection between liberalism and the likelihood of watching Jerry Springer. You make these same declarations in so many of your posts, but many of them are simply your personal opinions, and the others are flatly rejected by reality.

This is why people accuse you of being dishonest in your debates. I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to see you being told 100 different ways exactly how your world view differs from reality, and still stubbornly clinging to the idea that you know better. It’s like listening to the Roswell nuts. Nothing anyone can say will make any difference.

Noooo! :eek: If you say her name three times, she’ll appear!

I’m not generally a “+1” kind of guy, but… +1

If you want to pit Der Trihs or Gonzomax or whoever for being buffoons, go right ahead. There’s no shortage of buffoons around.

Whether Der Trihs is a buffoon or not (hint: he is) doesn’t have anything to do with whether Starving Artist is a buffoon or not (question left as an exercise for the student).

You can’t expect people to refrain from complaining about one particular irritating buffoon–Starving Artist–just because they haven’t complained about all the other irritating buffoons. It’s a classic tu quoque.

That and it would take quite a long time to make a systematic and exhaustive catalogue of buffoons. The last time I thought about doing that, I recalled that I had an appointment to have my cock tread on by the entire Chinese army. That seemed like a more productive use of my time.

Not only that, but despite Shodan’s assertion that most Dopers generally “decline” to call Der Trihs names, the fact is that Der Trihs has probably been Pitted and abused about as much as any other individual on these message boards, and many of the people laying on the abuse have been the board’s liberals and leftists.

In my experience, Der Trihs’s only real area of complete irrationality and unwillingness to consider alternative views is in the area of religion. I think he’s far too dismissive and dishonest in debates over religion.

Exactly.

When provided with a cite that is completely on-point, from an unbiased source (like a government site that provides surgical waiting time means and medians), SA will not acknowledge that the facts are in opposition to his thinking. Rather you get a variation on:

“I can’t necessarily trust any of the information that’s out there. Thus when I’m considering something I’m not sure about, I rely on my own life experience, common sense and judgement.”

Well here’s a suggestion if you feel you can’t trust any of the factual information out there, and you are relying on your own “life experience”: Shut the fuck up and stay out of debates and discussions.

I agree. And for what it’s worth, I was considering bringing that up. Maybe I’ll just start a new thread on the topic; I’ve been ruminating on it a lot lately.

I guess I have to settle for being right.

TROLL!!

Interestingly enough, he has been Pitted sixteen times that I can discover. Relatively few of them were started by lefties - Liberal, Monty, xtisme, FriarTed - not really lefties that I can see. And there is a lot of this kind of thing in the various Pittings -

Nonetheless…

Going thru them, I believe you are correct - much of the Pittings consist of people saying “I agree with much of what he says, but I wish he wouldn’t be such an asshole”.

So, your point is well taken. I still maintain that Starving Artist deserves much less abuse (and the Usual Suspects deserve much more), but you are correct, Der Trihs gets more shit than I remembered.

Religion, abortion, and the Republican party.

Regards,
Shodan

You’re forgetting the U.S. Armed forces.

So go start a thread in Cafe Society if you think it wasn’t such a hot movie, sheesh.

He is not old.

Win.

And nobody even thanked us! Because if ever there were a culture that deserved a jolly good rogering, it was Ozzie and Harriet America.

Isn’t there an Audubon Field Guide?

Awww, shucks, just another smartass peckerwood from Waco! But kind words are never mispoken.

Apropos of not much, but can we get rid of the “win” post when somebody says something clever? It’s hackneyed. It’s lazy. I know you want to fist bump the guy and say “Good One!”, bur this is text. You could have said things like:

“fuck Jane Fonda”

or “I miss Joe McCarthy”

or “I blame Laugh In

or “I really want to fuck Jane Fonda”

or “my God, Jane Fonda was hot. You remember Barbarella? Man, I wasn’t even born when that movie was made, but I want a piece of that. Ted Turner got some, why can’t I? I grew up in Atlanta, too. Did she go to AOL with the TimeWarner deal? If so, do you think if I write them a letter will they send me a free sample of that ass?”
I seem to have digressed.

My point is that “win” is just a lazy, hackneyed, and stupid post. It’s a waste of bandwith. Don’t do it again.
ETA: Is Barbarella on hulu?