Sarcasm, Luci? I’m shocked. Who would you like to see heading it up?
I’m sorry. I was going to start a thread about this but I was … oooh, a penny!
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I don’t get your thread title. Is someone saying he’s a Republican?
I have always found this “give the dirty money to charity” thing to be somewhat lame but it seems to be the standard for this all-the-more-common event. The article you linked to says he was convicted of grand theft, and it seems that is why the Dems are distancing themselves. Is there some reason to believe there is more to it than this? Is there something to suggest that he has been doing illegal things for politicians? This is the first I heard of the guy.
Edit: Ah, thanks Mr. Moto, that helps. Do we think the candidates were aware of this? It seems likely.
What are you going to do with dirty money? You shouldn’t use it. You shouldn’t give it back - Norman Hsu would then either buy someone else or have fun with yachts, coke and hookers. Not a proper use for stolen money at all.
Better to give it to Sister Mary Stigmata at the St. Helen of the Blessed Shroud Orphanage, even if she hates filthy stolen money.
The OP is trotting out the accusation of double standards again; if Hsu gave money to Republicans instead of Democrats, there’d be two threads in every forum here demanding he be brought to justice and the people who accepted money from him be held accountable.
Frankly, the fact that no thread was created by anyone about this topic until this one suggests that it’s just not that big an issue regardless of party. There’s plenty of Republicans/right-wingers here who pounce on any potential failings by the Democrats just as much as there are left-wingers who pounce on the Republicans.
So, the topic is ignored by the board, and that makes Democratic partisans/progressives on the board hyprocrites? But your lack of initiative is okay, because you pitted about the Tillman cover up?
Maybe the reason the board is “lefty” is because being a 'pubbie sucks, considering what the national leadership has been up to for the past, I dunno, 35 years?
Not to mention that in this time of primary politics supporters of Edwards or Obama would be equally likely to jump on the story if they thought it were a big deal.
Small potatoes, Evil One. He gave a bunch of money to some Dems, and they’re giving it to charity. He hasn’t even been convicted of anything, although being a fugitive for 15 years is probably a no-brainer for a prosecutor. And if he’s a bundler, so what? As long as he’s not bundling from criminals, I don’t have a problem with the Dems keeping that money.
The way $$ are flowing into the various candidates’ coffers pretty much guarantees this sort of stuff is going to happen. Thus far, the presidential candidates are handling things appropriately. Kennedy Jr might want to have a little chat with dad, though, but he isn’t running on a national ticket either.
I think you’re a blinkered partisan idiot who contributes virtually nothing to political debates here on the Dope, but you score a point for the Blues Brothers reference.
Well then that was a perfectly incomprehensible OP. I mean, I heard the story on National Public Radio, but I didn’t remember the guy’s name, so all that Evil One succeeded in doing was making himself look like an idiot who can’t communicate worth a damn. He didn’t even start trying to say what the fuck he was on about (unencrypted, anyway) until post #9. I really fucking hate OPs like this.
And FURTHERMORE, there’s no fucking pit. I mean what is the complaint? That there’s no thread about Norman Hsu? There was when I looked. Right here. Except that it is a piss poor excuse for a thread, so yeah, I guess he’s right. There’s no good thread about Norman Hsu.
In any case, what did you want people to say, Evil One, that this guy gave a bunch of stolen money to Democrats? I’m sure white-collar criminals give money to both major political parties in this country, so how is that even news? Obviously there’s nothing to actually pit about this story, otherwise you would have done that instead of starting this stupid thread.
Fuck, I’m temped to start a pit thread just about post #3. How fucking obnoxious is that shit?
Evil One, you should ask that this thread be closed; it’s a fucking embarrassment.
Thanks, I guess.
But really, do you disagree with anything I said in my longer post?
A call for investigations? What exactly are you going to investigate? Hsu’s been arrested and convicted. The candidates that have received money from Hsu are turning it over to charity. What’s left?
He has? Last I heard (yesterday) is that on the lam again-- he failed to show up for his court hearing.
The bundling issue should be cleared up. I don’t think Hillary Clinton wants to hold on to any of Norman Hsu’s money, no matter who he funneled it through.
If there is a larger problem here, that ought to be taken care of. Again, I don’t know that there is one, but the finance problems of 1996 suggest a pattern, and the Clinton campaign ought to take affirmative steps to take such suggestions off of the table.
Apart from that, I agree that there’s not much here. Democrats ought to be encouraged to cut their ties with Hsu and forsake this money, and those that don’t might face a political cost. That’s as far as it goes with me so far.
And if my Aunt had a handle and a spout, she’d be a teapot. Jesus, this is dumbest excuse for Pitting in, well, a couple of days, at least.
Don’t know how to break this to the OP gently, but if in fact E O’s hypothetical were true, it would likely be less than ten regular posters who might start them, maybe less than five.
Personally, I have no great compulsion to launch a political bashfest on this board every single time the slightest whiff of scandal crops up, and 'll wager all but a tiny handful of SDMB members feel pretty much the same way. In fact, I’ve gone on record several times that the constant contentless politic sniping that goes on here is one of the least useful aspects of this board. So as far as I’m concerned, the OP can take his broad brush and jam it up his rectum. Not to mention, I don’t have to “pretend” I don’t know what the OP’s talking about; except for a couple of mentions on this very board, I haven’t even heard of this Hsu guy, and frankly I don’t give a rat’s ass.
I just said! Ted Stevens, (R-Alaska), just as soon as the FBI gets done with their total exoneration of him and sundry other Alaska Pubbies. What, you haven’t heard? But what about all those hypocritical Dems threads about him, you know, screaming their heads off but ignoring the vitally important Mr. Hsu? Surely there are dozens? Five? Two?
Let’s pretend these hypothetical outrage threads aren’t so dull. :rolleyes: Yes, there might be threads if he was a Republican. So?
The guy is a criminal and most of his donations have, properly, been given back. I think he repaid the Paw family and probably others for their donations, but that could be very hard to prove. I don’t think he’s the only person who did this stuff, either. It’d be nice if all the money that came from people connected to him was given returned or donated, but we all know they’re going to do the bare minimum to distance themselves from him.
Alas, every Doper except Evil One wants Hillary to be President so desperately that they’re overlooking this scandal.
Y’know, this sort of complaint is particularly grating. “If X was Y, you Z’s would be doing W.”
Yawn.
Please, find something else to complain about. Complain about Hillary if you must. But the complaints about insufficient outrage are just pathetic.
This was mean, and uncalled for. Mr. Moto’s contribution was the best one to the thread so far. It was informative, and balanced. He may lean right, but he posted fairly and intelligently here. When you say something like this in response, it makes you seem very foolish, and it paints you as the blinkered partisan idiot, as a matter of fact.