He wasn’t allied with it. He gained influence in the movement and excommunicated the true conservatives using that influence.
But yes you have a point. Conservatism was on its heels after many years of defeat.
I’ve heard of fiscal conservatives, social or religious conservatives, reactionary conservatives, pro-corporate conservatives, Tea Party conservatives, neo-Conservatives, Goldwater conservatives, Reagan conservatives, post-rational American conservatives, McCarthyists, and Jeffersonian conservatives. (Don’t give me the pop quiz on the precise differences.)
Here’s a new one. My emphasis added.
What is “True Conservatism”? The world according to Ayn Rand?
Yes that is a sloppy phrase. How about Conservatism WillFarnaby Kinda Likes? Seriously though, under Buckley, conservatism did a 180 from the Albert Jay Nock, Robert Taft, Russell Kirk conservatism to explicitly endorsing the totalitarian state and committing to liberal adventurism abroad.
Gosh, when you argue like that, it makes conservatives sound kind of dim, wot?
Are there any modern conservatives you like? Any modern liberals you like more than the conservatives you profess to dislike?
Can you give me an example, please, of what it is you term ‘liberal adventurism abroad’? You’ve used it before and I haven’t heard it in all my years as a history major.
Back when civilization was still thought of as a gift from white people to brown, some truly heinous actions were sold as “bringing the light” to our “brown brothers.” Back when Teddy Roosevelt was a firm progressive. As part of our bitch-slapping of Spain, America made alliance with the nativist partisans of the Philippines. If they would fight for us as guerrilla partisans, we would support their movement for independence. As soon as the Spanish battle flag flew (white rampant, with tatters ardent), we advised the provisional revolutionary government that their services would not be needed.
So, if you think of TR as a progressive, hence, a “liberal”, and this tawdry display of gunboat hypocrisy and treachery as an “adventure”…
Basically Wilsonian interventionism in order to spread democracy. The Iraq War is the first, and probably worst, that comes to mind.
Or, we could consider cases where liberals should have been adventuresome…but weren’t. Clinton and Rwanda and the Balkans; Carter and Cambodia. This works both ways.
How common are purely humanitarian interventions, anyway? No specific political or economic interest, just one country sending its military to another to stop human-rights abuses?
I forgot to mention FDR refusing to accept Jewish refugees from Europe…like these people who were forced to return to Europe.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
SS St Louis: The ship of Jewish refugees nobody wanted - SS St Louis: The ship of Jewish refugees nobody wanted - BBC News
Is that anything like Farnabian Bullshitivism?
That doesn’t sound like a lot of fun. Its almost like you are saying that to be a conservative on this board you have to develop a taste for eating shit.
No, he’s saying you have to at least try not to be an asshole if you want to try and actually engage in intellectual discussion with an audience who is hostile to your views. If the audience agrees with you, they may give you a pass for some assholery, but they aren’t going to for the rest.
He’s actually not wrong here, except in acting as if Bricker does this. Bricker gives out the same stuff he gets. He doesn’t ignore people who insult him at all. He deliberately needles them.
Maybe Sam Stone does this. I have to admit, I don’t remember seeing him engage in any insults.
I’ve been here since 2004 and I don’t recall it being much different back then. There were constant threads about Bush, Iraq, and how Republicans were homophobic imperialists who want to eat poor people. The biggest change I’ve noticed is a decrease in board activity, which I chalk up to the decline of general interest message boards. Right-wing Americans politics has grown more venal, more reactionary, and more disconnected from reality, so there’s a target rich environment for liberals to unload their moral outrage.
The original libertarians were left-wing radicals, and are still considered that in most places AFAIK. America is a funny place.
Maybe the OP could find a home in a right-libertarian forum, but IME they spend most of their time arguing about what violates the NAP and being called statists by ancaps. The entertainment value peaked back in the Ron Paul days anyway.
The alpha capitalists are cucking the beta working class. Sad!
Sure, alphas are smart, but they have to work too hard.
For a whole 16 days. Longer than I expected.
Who won the pool?
I had two hours. But I had that in my own pool too, which was sort of cheating.
Did we ever even start the pool? I thought he might make it a month. :dubious:
Even better, he wasn’t one of the posters originally mentioned. Stringbean just took it upon himself to join and lose his shit/frikkin’ mind.
I think, with his return, we *all *lost.