And don’t forget about the documentary “Loose Change”. Better give it an 11.
I didn’t think it was necessary to mention the Freemasons since it is a well documented fact that they are not only the founders of this country but that they are in control of the entire military industrial complex and the workings of our government. Everyone knows about the Bush family ties to the Masons. And do you really think Cheney could be where he is if it wasn’t for Halliburton’s involvement in the military?
The Masonic symbolism is rampant throughout Washington and their control is limitless. Did you know that the movie National Treasure was originally supposed to be an investigative exposé about the power of the Masons and their roles in the founding of this country and the tentacles of power they hold? When the Washington Affiliation of Cinematic Control Officials (WACCO) found out, they “convinced” the producers that it would work better as fiction.
1 for a second shooter;
2 for someone put Oswald up to it.
(Plenty of evidence we did go there.)
(Mogul balloon project went astray.)
(Presumably the ‘idea’ of this conspiracy was to invade Iraq? :rolleyes: )
(Oh please.)
(A drunk driver, no seatbelt and paparazzi chasing a famous person.)
Yes, but for some reason we’ve developed an attitude that conspiracies never happen. We tend to mock or ignore claims of them, and if they are proven we generally stop calling them conspiracies. Such as the way you just referred to Iran-Contra; it’s not a conspiracy; it’s a scandal. Or something with the suffix -gate; anything but a conspiracy.
People call things “conspiracy theories” to dismiss them, as if that is, in itself, an argument against them.
What’s " :rolleyes: " about it ? The PNAC neocons said they needed a new Pearl Harbor to get what they wanted, which included the invasion of Iraq. They got what they wanted; the question is, did they just get lucky, or did they help luck along ?
And why is it so implausible, anyway ? These are people whose ideas have killed thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis, and they show no sign of caring. I’m not sure they did arrange 9-11; I am absolutely sure that they would have, or a dozen times worse, if it let them get what they wanted.
The :rolleyes: was for how well Iraq has gone. Look what it did (and is doing) for Bush’s popularity.
There were plenty of available ‘excuses’ for invading Iraq - you wouldn’t need to arrange a multiple plane hijacking causing thousands of American deaths for that.
And what if the secret leaked out?
Just wire-tapping brought down Nixon and his Administrarion.
Murdering 3000 Americans? Bush would get lynched. :smack:
Well, that’s the way these guys operate. They are very good at getting the short term things they want; but their goals are unworkable and their tactics pathetic. They remind me of those guys who pulled a coup against Gorbachev, actually.
Perhaps ( but I doubt it ), but they wanted more than just that. They wanted the Patriot act, and CIA secret prisons, and a long term occupation of Iraq, and all the other things they got from it.
But if I’m right, and all they did was do nothing and let Al Qaeda succeed, the chance of them ever being shown to have deliberately let 9-11 happen are miniscule. A few key people doing nothing and looking the other way is the kind of thing that’s nearly impossible to prove.
That’s why I and others put different levels of plausibility on different kinds of involvement in 9-11. The “American planes shot missles into the Towers and they were wired with explosives” sort of conspiracy is highly implausible, because it would require lots of people to be involved, and someone would let something slip. But if a few high officials simply had to do nothing and let Osama do the dirty work, there’d be little if any evidence. Even if it was shown that they let Osama succeed, they’d pull the classic Republican “I’m an idiot” defense, which usually works for some reason. “I don’t recall.” “No one could have imagined . . .” “I accept full responsibility” < doesn’t resign, fires underling >
More than one person was involved in the death of JFK
A solid fucking 9.
The moon landing was fake
Nada
An alien spaceship crashed near Roswell, New Mexico
I’ll give it a 2. Something’s up, but I don’t think it’s an alien.
The US Government had prior knowledge or actively participated in 9/11
Zip.
The “face” seen in a photo of the surface of Mars was created intelligently
Unh-unh. No way.
The death of Princess Diana was not accidental
Huh. I’ll give it a 3 or 4.
The US Government had prior knowledge or actively participated in 9/11
Knew “something” was going to happen: 9. Knew the specific plan, but let it happen: 2. Actively participated: 0.01, and I’m only going that high because it’s not physically impossible.
The “face” seen in a photo of the surface of Mars was created intelligently
1) More than one person was involved in the death of JFK - 5-6
2) The moon landing was fake - 0
3) An alien spaceship crashed near Roswell, New Mexico - 2-3
4) The US Government had prior knowledge or actively participated in 9/11 - 0
5) The “face” seen in a photo of the surface of Mars was created intelligently - 0
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6) The death of Princess Diana was not accidental* - 1
Wow, I’m a cynical person…
Shamozzle - Conspiracies (and the possibilities/reasons/evidence of them) are a pretty heavy subject. You sure this is jus’ fer fun?
At any rate…
1) More than one person was involved in the death of JFK
2. It’s possible that Oswald had help (logistical support, a Washington insider telling him when the motorcade would pass, a gun supplier, etc.). It’s possible that he was attemtping to gain favor with the Cubans or the Soviets or LBJ or the military/industrial complex or whatever. But we’ll never know, and it certainly didn’t extend to multiple shooters or a government cover-up. Think about it: Why, four decades after the fact, has no one ever claimed to be one of the supposed other shooters?
2) The moon landing was fake
0. I don’t even see the freakin’ point of this one, except maybe as a pathetic Luddite rant.
3) An alien spaceship crashed near Roswell, New Mexico
0. Assuming that there’s actually a living person in the country who’d have any reason whatsoever to keep this a secret (if aliens crashed in my backyard, I’d be alerting every authority and news outlet and friend within the first hour), how would that even be possible, especially for this long? Look how quickly some stupid President’s stupid affair with a stupid intern became headline news. Trust me, if it’s something as big as aliens, there’s no way in hell we’d not find out.
4) The US Government had prior knowledge or actively participated in 9/11
Prior knowledge 5, active participation 0. Not intentional, just the Bush Administration bastards lucking into the political bonanza of a lifetime (and then bungling the hunt for Osama Bin Laden).
5) The “face” seen in a photo of the surface of Mars was created intelligently
0. Mainly because it’s not even a face at all, it’s a giant toe. I mentioned this in another thread.
6) The death of Princess Diana was not accidental
0. Look, I know this is easy to forget in the unbelievably glurgeriffic postmortem and Elton John butchering one of his greatest songs (and one which he’d previously butchered for Ryan White), but she was nobody. A spoiled, bratty rich girl whose duties were to marry into a grossly anachronistic privileged class and produce the next generation of same. What the hell would anyone have to gain by killing her??
After I saw them nearly replicate Oswald’s “magic bullet” shot on the Discovery Channel, I lost all doubt that there were other shooters but Oswald.
The moon landing was fake - 0
An alien spaceship crashed near Roswell, New Mexico - 0
The US Government had prior knowledge or actively participated in 9/11 - 0
If by prior knowledge you mean that the FBI knew that Al Qaeda was planning an attack on America, but did not know they were in America, while the CIA knew Al Qaeda was in America but did not know they were planning an attack, then a 10.
The “face” seen in a photo of the surface of Mars was created intelligently - 0
The death of Princess Diana was not accidental - 0
More than one person was involved in the death of JFK= 7. “Involved” sure. Pulling the trigger- only one, LHO.
The moon landing was fake= 0
An alien spaceship crashed near Roswell, New Mexico= 1
The US Government had prior knowledge or actively participated in 9/11= Here it depends entirely what you mean by "prior knowledge "- certainly there was intel- masked by tonnes of other intel- which could have given the USA a better chance of planning. “actively participated in” =0
The “face” seen in a photo of the surface of Mars was created intelligently= 1
The death of Princess Diana was not accidental= Square root of -1, or I don’t give a rats ass. I am with DKW on this.
I think that there is the possibility that somebody put Oswald up to the assasination but as to all the hype about a second shooter I think not .
Quite honestly my old granny could successfully make a couple of head shots at that range on a slowly moving target without so much as a rise in her heart rate.
I vote zero points for all the other conspiracies but that said Iam almost positive that various H.M.G.s have pulled off and probably still are pulling off conspiracies that may or may not ever become public knowledge.