LGBT teens - It Gets Better

Dangerosa, being popular doesn’t automatically make you a bully. There are plenty of people who are popular who are genuinely nice to everyone, and who become successful in life. That’s not who we’re talking about.

We’re talking about the Queen Bees, the Mean Girls, the jocks, and other subgroups who are generally perceived as powerful, and who are also generally perceived as getting what they want at the expense of other people. Sometimes this means bullying weaker students to get into the clique; sometimes it can mean the bully is having personal problems of his or her own that s/he takes out on a weaker student; sometimes kids (especially girls) feel threatened by a romantic rival and torment that girl to make her go away; and sometimes kids are just assholes who have no controls placed on their behavior. For the most part, they get over it as they mature, but a few don’t get it on their own. They get that taste of reality when they encounter the first person who doesn’t give them what they want, and who doesn’t acknowledge their power. The smart ones figure out that their bullshit isn’t tolerated and drop it, or find a different outlet for their bullshit, but it takes the dumb ones a while.

LGBT teens find out it’s getting better?

Good lord, couldn’t we have told them that before countless how many killed themselves?

Animals…

I am happy that I live in a country that acknowledges ‘hate’ crimes, as a different animal. Every person recognizes, almost viscerally, that this was not a simple ‘invasion of privacy’. That a line was crossed. A hateful line. This was not a simple college prank, gone awry. The law is supposed to view crimes individually, for a reason. What these two students did should not be equivocated with your neighbour reading your mail. These two adults deserve to be charged with doing something hateful, and to carry the stigma of that, with them, through life.

I’ll bet you just hate hate hate bullying, doncha?

My son is in middle school. He has never done well with homework, but always scores high on tests. This worked out ok for him in grade school, but now that the grading is different, he’s barely scraping by. I had a long talk with him about it, and one of the biggest reasons he doesn’t try harder is because he doesn’t want other kids thinking that he is smart. I couldn’t believe that was actually something that he had to worry about. When I was in HS, I was more of a nerd/band geek and I know he is more into the “popular” crowd. I remember the stress I experienced in HS about fitting in and I can only imagine how much worse it could get. Kids are ruthless sometimes.

I disagree. I think the damage bullies do is long term.

Mini-rant in the wrong forum:

All week long Anderson Cooper has been dealing with the Andrew Shirvell cyberstalking/cyberbullying of U-Michigan student body president, the Tyler Clementi case, and mentioning the other gay (or accused of being gay) teen suicides. He’s had Dr. Phil on (ugh) to discuss the issues of prejudice against gays (how do I just know that Dr. Phil probably wasn’t the village peacemaker in high school and probably has told more than a few gay jokes before becoming famous?) and others who have lamented the problems experienced by gay youth.

While I somehow doubt that Anderson Cooper is a pin-up for gay youth or that even a majority have ever watched one of his shows, I find it somewhat irksome that he’s dedicating all this time to the issue of the difficulty of being gay… as America’s most glass closeted gay man. True, it’s possible the rumors are wrong but I seriously doubt it, and I wonder if it occurs to him that he’s part of the problem: the notion that a guy who makes tens of millions of dollars per year and is at the top of his game in credibility and career is still unwilling to come out sends a huge message.

True, it might mess up his ability to go to Muslim countries- I don’t know the degree to which this would be true, but it might be an issue, BUT- others can do that just fine. He can have a career here in the U.S. or wherever there’s a disaster that month so long as it’s not Muslim, and he doesn’t have to make a big deal of it by coming on TV shirtless waving glowsticks and introducing everybody to “the love of my life Chang, who I met Thursday, and our three adopted Maori children”; just a brief “I’m a gay man and I mention this because it is nothing to be ashamed of- I’ll probably never mention it again” nod would do it. Doesn’t even have to be on air.

I digress, so Seacrest out.

Sampiro, I think you make a good point.
Anderson Cooper probably thinks he is doing good by bringing this issue up, and perhaps spending more time on it that other television “journalists”. Maybe this helps him rationalize sitting on his comfortable Lazy Boy chair in the closet. Who knows?
I think it is no secret in NYC that he is Gay - and there have been quite a few publicized photos of him with his “companion” - hot owner of a Gay nightclub/bar? But again - it is easy for us to sit in our own armchairs and criticize - will it affect his career? Will it make it difficult for him to go abroad and do live reporting?
Then again - it is not exactly like he comes from a poor family and will have to live in a studio apartment in New Jersey even if he did lose his job (doubtful).
Would his “coming out” help a 13 year old boy? As if 13 year old boys watch his show, or even know who the fuck he is?
Maybe, just maybe, in this case it might be better to have a dude in the closet continue to press the issue and keep it in the forefront of the news - pretending to be just an interested journalist.
Just saying - some celebrities coming out (athletes, actors, musicians) might have more relevance for the average teenager - but I hardly think any teen in the US would go, “Wow, Anderson Cooper is Gay too!”

Magiver,agreed! Some of the bullies were pretty much fucking sociopaths. Remember we’re not talking about typical childhood meanness. More like a bunch of goddamn Stepford Kids crossed with Jame Gumb (the serial killer from Silence of the Lambs) Seriously, that little cavorting dance he did while the girl in the pit was freaking out, was basicly the attitude of the fucking assholes at my school. :mad: I don’t condone what the high school shooters did…but quite frankly I seriously think that many parents of teens and kids really have NO CLUE how bad bullying and ostracizing and beig all high and mighty towards someone for a perceived difference can be. Very often it isn’t just picking on someone b/c they aren’t “cool” but it’s psychological torture that if it was a parental sitution, the parents would lose their custody! Some of those bullies really almost need to be put in a reform school or something…
And yes, college and the adult world doesn’t end bullying…BUT college tends to be a lot more diverse, rather then the High School Musikal/Grease blandness of a typical small suburban high school.
MsRobyn, RIGHT ON!!! Someone can be popular without being all Mean Girls or Yah Dude or Fucked Up High and Mighty Sociopath about it.

All my childhood I was the ‘weird’ kid. The one who didn’t fit in. hell even through high school which I have only just left I was treated as the weird one. But strangely despite all this I was never friendless. I started out with one really close friend one I still know today then another outcast kid joined us then another and another buy the time I had spent 4 years at primary school I had a group of 5-6 friends.

I must say I take pride in the fact that never did I bow my head or compromise who I was and never did I expect those around me to do so either. We were our own happy reject family of the kids who didn’t have a place to go.

All I really want to say is I wish I could have gone to school with these guys. Right now I have a really close friend who is gay and I have no problems with him at all. Me and my friends always joke and call each other gay and fag and stuff. and although in the context used they are far from being related to homosexuality I was worried it was the result of some deeply seated homophobia. Well when my really close friend was at a stage of semi confirmed homosexuality he told us about a guy who used to tease him about it. To my utmost surprise the friends who I was concerned about being homophobic spoke up and said ‘That bastard, if we see him we’re gonna get that asshole’.

I’m just really grateful that I can find friends like that and I really feel sorry for those who feel that outcast and alone. I wish everyone could be blessed with people as kind and accepting as I have been.

But even those people don’t always fall on their faces. Some of them become highly successful. Some of them never see the light. Many times they have great lives. Is it fair, nope - but that’s why you need multiple lives for karma to work out :wink:

Don’t pin your happiness on someone else becoming miserable. It demeans you, and it might not happen.

ETA: My sister and my cousin were both jocks and Queen Bees by the definitions, but - I don’t think they bullied. Although my sister has never been the most compassionate individual - she’s not one to go out of her way to make anyone feel comfortable - she also isn’t likely to go out of her way to make anyone uncomfortable. And one of the “mean girls” from my high school became a national TV broadcaster. She certainly doesn’t seem miserable and like high school was the best years of her life.

From what I remember of High School, it was hell for the gays I knew.

A kid two years below me switched schools because he was getting picked on for being gay. I went to a small school, I knew who the kid was, but wasn’t friendly with him. He was effeminate and didn’t hide. He was a drama kid, and I remember asking someone why I hadn’t seen him around, they told what happened. I felt awful that he had to change schools.

In that same school, we had a boy whose family was very prominent in the community. He had a popular older brother and an athletic twin brother. He was BFF’s with all the popular girls, my sister was his prom date senior year. He was never “out” until after high school, but it was a pretty widely assumed he was gay. He took his fair share of ribbing, but quickly fled our small town after high school. Even being “protected” by the Queen Bees he was still given shit. Just recently there was an article in my hometown paper about his family’s business and a bit of controversy. A commenter on the article said he would never trust that family because it contained (and accepted) a “queer”. I was shocked, to say the least. He lives 600 miles away and has nothing to do with the family business.

“Jen’s” parents got divorced when she was 13, her mother came out as gay. She never told anyone, some of us knew. AFAIK, she never got picked on for it, instead, she turned all her hate against her mother. It was a subject no one dared broach with her, lest you become the target of her anger. As far as I know, she still doesn’t talk to her mom. I found out through my mom, who was friends with an out woman at work who knew Jen’s mom. My mom repeatedly asked if Jen had told anyone, but I didn’t have the guts to ask her about the situation, if her mom was brought up, it was just to tell us how much she hated her.

All the rest of the gay kids I know from high school didn’t come out until they left our small town. I wouldn’t have either. Most just kept their heads down and pushed through. None that have come out are a shock to me, although a very butch girl I went to school with has shocked me that she is a born-again fundie and married.

I went to college about 6 hours away from home. One other person from my class went to the same college. We would see each other around campus and say hi, but didn’t really hang out. Two months into college, he said he wanted to have lunch. We did and he came out to me. At this point, he asked that I not tell people from home, but he knew that it would get back to people eventually. He had come out to his family and I was the only other link to our hometown. “Sean” was a sweet kid who I don’t think most people noticed in high school. I told him I was glad that he felt comfortable enough to tell me and that he should be happy. I did get questioned about him by people from home, but I lied and told them I didn’t see him that often and didn’t talk to him, so I had no idea if the rumors were true. When I finally asked him what I should say, he told me to say whatever I was comfortable with. I kept up that I didn’t know and I didn’t care. I felt like it wasn’t any of my business to keep the rumor mill and if he wanted to tell someone, he would. Today, he is happy and gay in NYC and out to all. I think it is funny that he will friend people on facebook from high school and they are shocked at how “Out and Proud” he is. He was very introverted in high school from feeling forced to hide, he told one friend in high school and she kept her mouth shut about it.

I went to high school in a very small, rural town. I transferred in from a larger city around 8th grade. Thankfully, my parents moved back to the city after my sister graduated from high school. I have been back to that town twice since then. I choose not to go. My mom had gay friends, so it was never something I felt was wrong. I knew out happy, gay people when I was a teenager. Even still, I didn’t have the courage or backbone to stand up to someone who would call someone else a fag or gay. Now I do, but that is 16 years later.

DMark, the bullying might not stop the day you walk across the stage in high school, but the message of “it gets better” doesn’t have to mean that everyone just automatically grows up and stops being a jerk. It also means that we get better at coping with the bullying, to the point where it doesn’t make you want to take a life anymore.

And, when you get out of high school, you get more opportunity to meet people with similar life experience. It’s much easier to find a group to belong to when you are among a whole new population. Heck, I know some kids who went to my HS that were closeted and they found other kids who went to our school who were closeted, but not until they got to college.

Good on you for calling these guys out, tho. You’re doing a great service for everyone!

Plus, you can call the cops.

While I’m not gay, I will say this much: If life gets better after high school, it’s news to me.

Kathy Griffin with a message to GLBT teens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2JeZn1Uw0

Same here.

One of the fuckers that tormented me from jr high to high school had the balls to show up at my mother’s funeral to “offer his condolences.” He better have thanked his Higher Power big time that Sunday that I was classy enough to accept his condolences and not give in to my urge to drag his sorry ass off to the coffin showroom and stuff him in one.:mad:

I mean no disrespect or unkindness when I say the “While I’m not gay” part makes a boatload of difference, kind of like saying “While I’m not black, I don’t really notice that much racism”.

I have become FB friends with a few of my classmates, most of whom I haven’t seen since 1984, and some of the ones I didn’t like then really did turn out to be quite cool. Others I’ve since defriended because they’re still the same narrow minded asswipes they were then.

It is sad to read these posts, and realize how much hell a lot of kids go through in four years.
The fact is, there is a very big anti-intellectual streak in America-a lot of HS kids like being ignorant, and like being boorish, and like beating up on anyone they consider different.
Most of the bullies are people who should be in trade/vocational schools-why don’t we recognize this fact?
You have to teach a HS class to see what goes on when the troublemakers run the show.

Great message from Kathy!

She’s talking about the Trevor Project, which is an organization devoted to preventing suicide and crisis intervention among LGBT youth. Their website is

and the phone number for their suicide hotline is 1 866 4-U-TREVOR (1-866-488-7386).