I agree that what she did and how she did it was wrong. I’m still trying to figure out how her looks enters into the picture, though. If she was somewhat more pleasing to your eyes would you hold her less at fault?
I wonder if you would be so sanguine if a bunch of rednecks that used superior numbers and force to strip a code pink demonstration of photos of Abu Gharaib and dead Iraqi children.
She is an employee of the state (state school professor) violating civil rights on state property (UCSB campus). She may have violated the first amendment. She should be fired and prosecuted for robbery.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=211-215
I would say a sentence of 2 years for the robbery (minimum sentence for robbery) plus whatever damages the civil suit produces.
We don’t need people like this on the Pro-choice side of the debate.
Oh, pooh! My “side” is not comprised of angels and saints, we are simply more right more often than our opponents. You tell me somebody of a lefty persuasion misbehaved, and you expect me to clutch my pearls and faint dead?
Besides, doesn’t Bricker have a patent on the whole “liberal hypocrisy, right here in River City!” schtick? You owe him a nickel.
I just watched the video, at about the 2:30 minute mark, she is also committing assault and battery. So lets move that sentence up to 5 years.
So can Bricker take the same attitude towards conservative pricks? The notion that your side is more right than his side is your opinion. The notion that this woman committed a felony isn’t.
That cracks me up - that we need to have a free speech zone in a college. Wow.
I hope when the thought crime Nazis finally take over they’ll leave one little corner in every town where you can go to express your opinion whatever it may be.
I’m pro-choice but I celebrate both sides’ opportunity to attempt to educate.
How’s this?
From that link:
Is she a mere beast, or is she a human being? If you lack the capacity to prevent yourself stealing other people’s property, you shouldn’t be out in public.
Just speaking for myself, yes, especially if they were arrested and charged, as apparently happened in the UCSB case.
Ah, so the mention of liberal in the title really meant this one specific person. And wasn’t a broad stroke. Gotcha.
A pity there was no one packing heat, so that this violent thug could have been deterred with extreme prejudice! At what hospital were the injured treated?
(Do try and calm down, won’t you, DA, there’s a good fellow…)
That acorn might not be a tree, but I have…high hopes!
Newsflash: stupid sign stolen by stupid person.
Personally, I like the idea of dissenting voices on campuses. I brought in some pretty controversial speakers when I was a student. Sometimes we had good debates, sometimes people acted like assholes.
But don’t you see the implications? If one liberal does something wrong then all liberals are wrong. And if all liberals are wrong then all conservatives are right. And if all conservatives are right then everything that magellan01 has ever posted is a fact. And if everything magellan01 has posted is a fact then the OP must be true. And if the OP is true then a liberal did something wrong.
It all holds together.
You seem to be projecting an opinion on me that I don’t actually share.
I don’t think her actions rise to the level of felony, but I am not a lawyer. As a misdemeanor, stealing the sign would not get much of a punishment in any court, unless she/they engaged in violence against someone’s person in order to achieve it.
I’m not particularly sanguine about this, I agree with Bryan Ekers that this is a serious violation of the principle of free speech, on a college campus, in an area specifically devoted to free speech. But (apparently) the only law she broke was to steal the sign. Therefore, the onus for lesson-teaching falls on the university, at whatever level they think is appropriate. Now that this incident has achieved some national attention. I predict that the punishment will be more severe than it would otherwise have been.
If it were up to me, I would send her to ten hours of classes at the local ACLU so that they could explain to her in excruciating detail what was wrong with what she did. I would also make her return the sign, or if it has been destroyed to make a new sign that is equivalent to the old sign in point of view and in degree of revulsion to her.
I think that is more important than putting her in jail. She is a teacher. Make her learn something true and useful that she can pass on to her current coterie and to future students.
Never judge a tree by the condition of its bark.
You need to read that while Ode to Joy is blasting and there is plenty of lens flair.
Isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg: isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!
I’m pretty comfortable with what happened. A professor had more than a moment of poor judgment and was charged with misdemeanors. The signs were distasteful and reprehensible AFAIK. But they are still protected speech AFAIK.
IANAL. I would think that a $500 fine, community service and probation would send the proper signal. Possibly a suspended sentence.
All for a stolen piece of cardboard and injuries not involving hospitalization or heck even discomfort judging from 2:00- the end of the vid. The evidence so far indicates that you are an hysteric Damuri. Not good.
An interesting idea, but I don’t know whether it is permissible in practice. I hope the professor has the maturity to question her own judgment, but I do not assume that.
I am puzzled by this response. All sorts of non-student, non-staff, non-faculty lunatics are attracted to large Universities, typically to sermon on Jesus. Well there’s a time and place for everything, generally speaking in a designated free speech zone between the hours of 9AM to 5PM, without the use amplified equipment, unless you get a permit for it. Some people want to study, you know.
ETA: I think it’s relevant that the professor was not conflicting with students when she committed her alleged misdemeanors, though she set a poor example.
I don’t think this is accurate at all. The initial confrontation is not on the video. But she directly conflicted with the people with the signs. She even physically took it and absconded. Then she had a slight physical confrontation. All instigated by her.