No. Did you read the whole thread? I guess not.
From the “Revised Rules for the BBQ Pit”:
"No trolling
By trolling, we mean posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people. If we feel your primary goal as a poster is to make people mad, you’ll quickly find yourself on the road to banning. On the flip side, the fact that a poster consistently makes you mad doesn’t automatically make them a troll."
I am quite stupid because I am not seeing how the Original Post is not blatantly violating this “rule”. The OP made one statement to the contrary “I am pro-choice” and every other statement seemed to come straight from the bowels of Limbaugh’s diarrhetic pill-laden circus tent (circa 1995) - despite the OP claiming never to have watched or listened.
Yes, I am really, really dense, because if this is not “posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people”, I don’t know what could possibly be. There’s even been a [del]dom[/del], er, mod posting. I guess since he’s a Sith mod, if it doesn’t involve Star Trek things, it’s out of his bailiwick, huh?
BTW - his post really didn’t make me mad (what do I care what happens at UC Santa Barbara?), I’d just like to know if someone can help me out in my insanely dense stupidity.
It’s not just that a sign was stolen. I wouldn’t have near the outrage if some random kid grabbed it and ran away. She is a professor, someone in a position of power on the campus. She knew there was little the victims could do. She even laughed at them. I wish there was more than a young girl going after her, who I think was just 16. If it were someone similar to her in attitude and stature, I’m pretty sure she would have wound up with a bloody face. Which she deserved.
It’s the Pit. I’m venting and bitch-slapping that asshole professor. That you see a problem of some sort is baffling.
See, this is your problem. You start out with a good point and a lot of people agree with you. But then you end up talking about how a woman deserves to get punched in the face. And even the people who were on your side don’t want to be in the same thread with you anymore.
As I read the law, there is no dollar threshhold. I can rob you of a piece of gum as much as I can rob you of your wallet. She took the sign by force from the owners. She didn’t swipe it while they weren’t looking or vandalize it in place, she took ift from the possession of the owners by force. Thats robbery. Of course there is prosecutorial discretion and I don’t know if it would be just to send a pregnant woman to jail to give birth in prison but if she weren’t pregnant, I would upset if I were those girls that got robbed.
I did not see that in the original link. If she has been charged with crimes, then, unless she has some sort of record or history of this sort of behaviour, I’m not really keen on sending a pregnant woman to jail. I await UCSB’s reaction to all of this.
You don’t need life threatening injuries for there to be assault and battery. And AFAICT, she used force to take the signs, and she used force to keep the sign. Now that I know she was pregnant, I think a suspended sentence with a 5 year probation would be appropriate (once again, unless she has a history of this sort of thing).
I realize that you only value certain rights and only when they are used to further a liberal agenda but I happen to think this was pretty egregious.
So you are shocked by what she did and you think a ten hour session with the ACLU (and replacing the poster) is adequate?
They are apparently not charging her with a felony but I think she meets the elements of a felony. Imagine that it wasn’t a sign and that it was a wallet or a cell phone and she did the exact same thing. Would that be a robbery or a misdemeanor theft? Like I said, prosecutorial discretion allows them to go for a lesser charge (or refuse to charge her at all but she robbed those girls and violated their constitutional rights while she was at it.
I am also comfortable with the misdemeanor charges, I was not aware that this is what happened and i would be OK with a suspended sentence with a few years probation (assuming she does not have a history of this sort of behaviour).
It was just a “piece of cardboard”? Why does that matter, does that reduce the violation to those girls? Would you feel differently if she took their wallets? stealing someone’s wallet doesn’t have the added effect of violating their civil rights.
In what sense am I a hysteric? I understand that you want to give her a slap on the wrist but it doesn’t really matter what she stole from them, the elements of a robbery are no less satisfied with an abortion sign than they are with a wallet.
I suspect that if rednecks Tea Partiers did this with a Code Pink sign, some people would be screaming bloody murder.
The only mitigating factor for me is that the professor is pregnant. The fact that she stole “just a sign” is no less of a violation to those girls than if she stole their wallet. The fact that these girls suffered heckling while they were being robbed only adds to the injustice.
I can’t tell you how touched I am with your concern for my well being here. Question, given your interaction with me, even in this thread, do you really think that I should give two shits about what you think? Seriously, dude. :roll eyes:
And let me just add, yes, justice would have been served if she got punched in her face. Don’t want to get punched in the face? Don’t steal stuff or lay your hands on me. Pretty simple really.
Not only heckling, they aided in the theft. Especially that girl closest to the victim, who kept challenging her and blocking her path. Nice little gang the Professor Douche has there.
Liberals-One out of control idiot Prof. takes away someone’s freedom of speech.
Conservatives-Enlist the aid of University administrators to engage in a cover-up contrary to state law.
http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/26/1225640/palin-brings-message-to-turlock.html
Don’t feel bad on my account. I disagree with pretty much everything you say so when you act like an idiot, it makes me look smarter. So keep posting, you magnificent bastard.
But you might spare a moment to think about the other conservatives on this board. I imagine they shudder every time you start a thread and ask themselves, “Dear God, what’s he going to say this time?”
You want to start a pit on Sarah Palin, go ahead, I think she’s a pretty horrible person. I don’t know WHO would even bother to defend her anymore. It doesn’t mean we have to cut this UCSB professor any slack does it?
Yeah, right, er, whatever you say. You’re being perfectly rational. Couldn’t agree with you more.
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I have no doubt of that.
Many ancient peoples practiced infanticide. Romans did, for sure. it was the father who decided whether to let the child live. These things have to be considered as not barbaric if they were accepted by large numbers of people.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make in response to Magellan.
It strikes me as another example of how far we have strayed from the ability to have rational discourse without needing structure provided. Shouldn’t college students already know how to do that?
Can no one tear themselves away from the drama to get to the library and study?
C’mon, you college kids and at least one instructor, and exercise a little self-discipline before someone else gets any more ideas to run your lives for you. Please?
So some ugly instructor runs off with a junkie Christian’s sign full o’ fetuses and gets arrested. She should’ve done the right thing if she’s going to be arrested-- set fire to the whole damn booth.
What, you were worried that someone would post a more rational, sensical, readable OP first?
No. She committed the crime of (unarmed) robbery of an item of little intrinsic value, plus possibly some assault. She did not prevent them from speaking about their point of view; she did not prevent them from putting up another sign.
With regard to your first point, I believe the value of the item stolen does have some bearing on the severity of the crime charged. However I am open to correction by someone actually more conversant with California law in this area than I am.
I don’t think your level of hysteria is warranted by the events. Magellan01 is exercised largely because this professor (who is heavy) laughed and sneered at the poor teenager who tried to get her sign back. This behavior does not, however, increase the severity of the crime in the eyes of the law. My opprobrium is reserved for the professor’s lack of understanding of what the principle of free speech means. Her behavior was unwarranted and should be punished. But her ignorance is appalling. A person of her standing in the educational community should know better.
Right and robbery is a felony punishable by a minimum of 2-9 years but 2 years appears to be a minimum regardless of whether its a rolex or an item of little intrinsic value.
California’s rules on assault and battery permit up to 3 years probation (or 6 months in jail) for assault and another 3 for battery, but there seems to be a lot of leeway in sentencing assault and battery from as little as community service (which seems appropriate here). The problem with these noninjurious assaults and batteries is that it is rarely caught on tape but just pushing someone is assault and battery.
Wait. What!?!?! So since they could have brought extra signs in case someone comes along and robs them, therefore their rights weren’t violated? They had alternative methods of expressing themselves aside from their chosen method of expression so their rights weren’t violated? WTF?
There is a minimum sentence for robbery. That’s where I get the minimum sentence of 2 years. Its in the link.
Hysteria? What Hysteria? Where are you and Measure for Measure getting the notion that I am engaging in hysterics?
The MINIMUM sentence for robbery is 2 years whether its a sandwich or a rolex. The professor is also guilty of assault and guilty of battery (on a minor but I don’t know if California cares about that).
I think she’s pregnant.
So no problem with the robbery then? Just as her weight doesn’t increase the severity of her crimes, the pecuniary value of the stolen item doesn’t eliminate the minimum sentence either.
The value has nothing to do with the minimum sentence. The minimum sentence for robbery is 2 years. Given her pregnancy, I am OK with the prosecutor going for a lesser included crime as long as she doesn’t have a history of this sort of thing but noone should be defending her actions here. This should be a case of RO.