What if it was a grand piano full of gold bricks? What then? Huh? Huh?
Ancient peoples, those paragons of morality. By that rubric, can you call anything barbaric?
So how many liberals make up a “strain?”
oh man. Is that a US university and a US university professor? And you’re supposed to be a fucking super power nation? And why the hell doesn’t the girl with the grating whining teenage voice not just take the fucking sign back instead of following them around like a puppy? What’s with the fucking whining voice anyway?! Do you guys actually talk like that?
From the fact that you’re demanding a multi-year prison sentence because some woman got in a pushing match and stole a hand-made sign. That’s not just hysterical, it’s down right fucking psychotic.
The value of the item does not determine whether the crime is theft or robbery. It determine whether the theft is petty or grand.
Robberies are violent crimes. Holding somebody up at gunpoint is robbery. Hotwiring somebody’s $300,000 car is theft.
She conflicted with the people? Is that normal English?
Too bad they didn’t have a gun to defend themselves, right? *That *woulda taught them damn gun-grabbin’ lib’ruls a lesson, wouldn’t it?
That’s the kind of argument you enjoy making the most, in other threads. So what’s different about this one? That it’s a *real *situation, not one of your psychotic fantasies, and you can imagine what would *really *happen? That it, or what?
see: the entire Republican party.
There’s a long way to go, Magellan, before the two sides are even *remotely *equivalent. Good luck with that.
Yes, we all talk just like that. This isn’t Denmark, where the student would’ve decapitated the teacher with her Viking axe and drunk mead from her hollowed skull.
I have passed along your observation to some friends of mine who are in similar positions. Two of them pass along kudos for your droll sarcasm and wit, the other broke down into sobs…
The feminazi professor violated the “do not feed the trolls” rule. I can’t even understand her frustration, because aborted fetus pictures are on college campuses all the frickin’ time.
She’s a 16-year-old girl. She was confronting a person in a position of power and there were other people with her who were college age, one who keeps getting in her face. As I said, I do wish the girl or someone else would have just ripped it out of their hands.
One cannot fathom a more stereotypically lame response from a liberal.
Sigh.
I simply used the same phrasing I was responding to.
No, if I may, why didn’t you question that poster? Hmmmm…
I was going to start as thread about this topic yesterday, but i had a friend visiting from out of town so i didn’t get a chance.
This professor in this situation annoys the hell out of me, and i hope that she is fined or receives some other punishment appropriate to her ridiculous actions. I’m a lefty who teaches college history, and many of my friends are also academics, so i spend a lot of my life in left-liberal academic circles. One of the things that really annoys me about campus life is the small minority of liberal and leftist academics who act like they have a right not to be offended by anyone else’s political opinions. Not only are they vocal and opinionated about their own politics, but they are happy to shout down anyone who disagrees with them, and even to suggest that certain views and ideas and opinions should be prohibited altogether.
What this professor did was complete bullshit. The anti-abortion trolls she confronted are drooling idiots, but they are drooling idiots with a right to free speech. Not only that, but they show their disgusting images hoping to get precisely the reaction that this idiot professor gave them. They’re the Westboro Baptist Church of the anti-choice movement, and the best way to deal with them is to ignore them, just like ignoring the WBC is the best response to their idiocy.
Not only was the professor’s reaction stupid, her post-hoc justifications are, if possible, even worse. From the police report (PDF):
Jesus Christ on a fucking cracker.
The idea that this woman has a PhD and teaches at a prestigious public university is absolutely staggering to me. Look, you dumb cow, a few things:
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You have every right to feel offended by something like this. I think that these anti-abortion lunatics are offensive. But that doesn’t give you the right to assault someone and take their property from them.
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The fact that you are pregnant is irrelevant. About the only legal or civic right that you gain from being pregnant is that people are supposed to give up their seat for you on the bus. You don’t get a free pass to assault people who make you uncomfortable.
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You can use the word “trigger” all you like, but saying the word doesn’t absolve you of the responsibility to act like a rational member of society. I don’t give a flying fuck if you were “triggered”; grown-up are supposed to recognize that being upset does not give you license to break the law.
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Your office might be a “safe space,” but the whole fucking campus is supposed to be a safe space, where people can express their opinions without having their property wrested from them by force.
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The fact that you do not know “enough about the limits of free speech” to answer the cop’s question, and yet felt justified in trampling on someone else’s free speech rights because you didn’t like what they said, does not speak well for your intelligence. And it’s pretty sad that a university professor, in a discipline that deals with politics and speech, is so ignorant of what free speech means.
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You are not a “conscientious objector,” and this group of nutbars did not violate your “personal right to go to work and not be in harm.”
Of course, i arrived a day late, and there was already a thread in progress. It’s a shame that it was started by one of the few people on the board dumber than the professor in question.
Yeah, sure. We all know how you would never generalize about liberals. Like you did in the title of this thread.
Sorry, i don’t agree. Shouting someone down and physically wresting something from them are not the same thing. If she had stood there shouting at the protestor, i would be here fully supporting her right to do it.
I don’t think it’s relevant at all.
First of all, while she could draw reasonable inferences, she had no real way to know whether or not they were students when she began the altercation. I’ve been on campuses where anti-abortion rally’s were being carried out by student groups. I see hundreds, sometimes thousands of people on my campus every day, and will it is reasonable to assume that most of them are students, i have no authority to ask them for ID or to otherwise confirm their status.
Second, outside the classroom itself, professors have no particular authority over our students. I teach about 150 students in any given semester, but it doesn’t give me any right to police their behavior or their ideas outside of my classroom. And students who are not in my class are no different, in terms of my influence over them, than any member of the public who happens to walk onto my public university campus. They are all people whose rights i am supposed to respect, and who are supposed to respect my rights.
My point, which you are aggressively ignoring, is that the value of the item does have an affect on whether the crime charged is a felony or a misdemeanor. “Crime” is not identical with “felony”. This crime does not seem to rise to the level of felony. That is my point, which you did not address. And if the crime is a misdemeanor, the minimum sentence that you quoted does not apply.
eta: the idea that anything that I have written in this thread can be construed as defending her actions is laughable. I begin to think that you are not arguing disingenuously.
What? How would that make a difference?
The whiny girl is whining instead of taking back her sign because she is 16 years old and the professor physically took the sign away from her.
Only at first. Now that we know she’s pregnant, I’m OK with a suspended sentence. But if she wasn’t pregnant, then yeah, two years is the minimum sentence for robbery, she meets all the elements of robbery. She would get a parole hearing at least one year before that.
Why is everyone so eager to excuse this woman’s actions and treat is as something less severe than what it is? It is criminal and inexcusable.
Really? You got a cite for that? I’ve never heard of petty robbery and grand robbery. I’m not a criminal lawyer, nor do I practice in California but I’ve never heard of the concept and google doesn’t seem to recognize the concept either. Like I said, there is no value requirement for robberies.
Did you even bother to read the definition of robbery under California law or are you just going by the knowledge you have gleaned from Law & Order episodes? Robberies don’t have to put someone in the hospital, they just require the use of force (or the threat of force) to take something from someone. This professor admitted to taking the sign from the girl’s hands and admits she was able to do it because she was stronger than the girl. She used force to steal the sign from the girl.
I’m not sure what this thread has to do with guns (you seem kind of pre-occupied with guns, maybe you should see somebody about that, get some exposure therapy by rolling around in a bin full of guns and bullets) but these girls are too young to have guns, I doubt guns are even permitted on campus.
In what way does that make what this woman did excusable? You’re like the second person in this thread to imply that Republican bad behaviour excuses this woman’s actions somehow.
You are the third or fourth person to express these sentiments. Do you have a cite?
Generally speaking) anything that carries a penalty of over a year in jail is considered a felony and the minimum sentence for robbery (which doesn’t have minimum value requirement) seems to be 2 years. There is no felony robbery and misdemeanor robbery as far as I can tell. Do you have a cite that says otherwise?
This crime meets all of the elements of a robbery, so why wouldn’t it “rise to the level of a felony”? Have you been watching law & order episodes too?
Where do I say you are defending her actions? I was responding to magellan.
Like I said, this should be a case of RO rather than a bunch of people trying to play down her actions as something that should be covered by a 10 hour lecture from the ACLU or something like that.
I think it’s because we are, for the most part, not fucking lunatics.
Never eat at a place called “Mom’s”, don’t play poker with a man named “Doc”, and don’t stick your dick in the crazy. Firm rules of life. Well, guidelines…