A Libertarian supporting slavery? Criminalizing an attempt by a mother’s attempt to assure that her child has at least a chance at a decent life? Declaring a human being a “lost cause” because of an accident of his birth?
Lib, these comments demonstrate that you have a cruel, self-righteous character without a shred of human compassion. You discredit libertarian philosophy and the Christian religion.
I used to think that you were a rational, well-intentioned person with values and opinions different from my own. I think now that I was wrong. Your comments are monstrous to me.
Having read quite a number of Lib’s posts and applying what I know about libertarians in general, I would guess that he is not really suggesting that the government take extra steps to punish irresponsible mothers. Rather, I think he is suggesting that the government do less in terms of giving the irresponsible and ignorant extra opportunities to foul up their lives and our society without consequence.
When Lib’s says anything about the government forcing individuals to do anything, it’s a pretty safe bet that he’d rather there was a better option and would not work to have such things actually come about.
For the record, though, I quibble with the word “monster”. I view Libertarian as someone for whom ideology outweighs humanity. The word that sugests is “fanatic”.
The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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Nothing matters but the child, and future children that irresponsible behavior like that by the mother will injure.
You quoted that I said the baby was a lost cause, but you neglected to quote the qualifying statement that followed it.
It is a cause that was lost, no, discarded — thrown away, by its mother. As I said in that post, if the baby cannot now be adopted, it must be given over to an orphanage.
All of the tragedy in this scenario was brought on by the mother. All of it. Failure to punish her sanctifies the horrible crime she committed on the child.
What crime? The crime of delivering a child she had no intention of caring for, a child that she viewed as a nuisance.
I am a single father too, my friend. Your anger is sorely misplaced. You need to be angry at that damn woman.
Well, firstly, I’m frankly surprised that Lib is advocating extra government intervention in people’s lives. But I like it.
And secondly, it’s fairly rare (ok, extremely) that Libertarian and I agree on political and social issues, but it seems we agree on this:
I agree with this completely. We, as a society, have an obligation to ensure that kids are raised correctly. We have an obligation to force parents to support their children, or provide for their support. Otherwise, we’ll continue to have idiots screwing like minks without protection and forcing those of us with sense to pay for the unwanted kids that result.
Oh, and let me add: “Libertarian is a monster???” Huh. News to me. I thought he was human. I’m glad you qualify that by saying “your comments are monstrous,” but still, it hardly helps your case any to sling insults like that around.
Sure. The father didn’t have anything to do with it at all. He’s standing in the wings desperately wanting to take this child, raise it, support it, provide it and its mother a loving home and financial security.
Lib: As an adoptive parent, my intervention is no miracle, but an expression of my human values. My children are not “all but assured of a life of misery and rejection.”
My children were not abandoned. Their birth mother made a difficult choice for the best interest of her children. Should she be punished for this?
Andros:
Yes, lets.
<looking at the Forum line>Yes, this is the BBQ Pit.
But in all seriousness, I’m using the term “monster” to mean a human being who appears to lack human compassion.
Lib: In your original post you did advocated punishement not of someone who abandoned, neglected or abused their child. You advocated punishment of someone who turns over their child to a responsible authority (a hospital) for the best interest of that child. And not only punishment, but (yes, I’ll say it again), enslavement.
I was talking about those worthless bitches and their jackal boyfriends.
Slavery is too good for them. They forfeit all their rights when they abridge another’s right to life.
SingleDad, I hope you will take a couple of deep breaths, calm down, and read this a few times till it sinks in. With all due respect, I do not believe you are thinking about what I’m saying, but about what you think I’m saying. We are talking about animals who would throw babies in the trash. (My blood boils even to think of it.) These are nothing like mothers who voluntarily gave up their children to adoption so their child could have a better home.
Those who would throw their babies away could already could give up their children for adoption, but they don’t. THEY THROW THEM AWAY!
Now, I know you might think that all that will change now in Georgia. But I tell you that nothing will change except that mothers who before wouldn’t have thrown their babies away because they are not that far gone, now will begin to give less consideration about what they’re doing when they pop out babies. Mothers who would have thrown away their babies do not think rationally.
