God, Lieberman would be a disaster if he were the nominee. We’d have two Republicans running for President. Talk about disenfranchised!
Well, besides the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Henry Gibson, has all the charisma of cottage cheese, and has political opinions that make him Bush Lite…
Well, not much really.
Mario Cuomo is making speeches again. So maybe, just maybe…
The only thing worse than a nebbish is a pius nebbish.
Well, I certainly would vote for him over Bush, but I’d vote for any of the other Dem condidates before I’d vote for Leiberman, just because of his contempt for the first ammendment.
I don’t know a lot about the demo candidates, but I did see interviews with Kerry and the Vermont Governor (?). Kerry struck me as extremely intelligent, but I don’t know enough about his ideas, yet. The Vermont guy, Howard Dean, is interesting to say the least, but has no chance.
Bush v. Lieberman
or
Kang vs. Kodos
The choice is yours!
Cool, we might get to decide whether we want our freedoms curtailed by a moronic conservative religious nut or a moronic liberal religious nut.
Isaac Bashevis Singer?
Huh? Who’s the liberal religious nut? I thought this thread was about Joe Lieberman.
Yeah, the guy who tried to prevent the movie Idle Hands* from being released and has tried to blame all of the world’s evils on violent movies and videogames. The guy who can’t go for two consecutive sentences without mentioning his deeply held faith. The guy who would deny us our freedoms “for our own good”, much as Bush is in the process of doing now.
I was rather impressed with Lieberman during his debate with Cheney. Cool headed, good grasp of the issues, no negative crap.
Therefore, he has no chance of getting further than the first five Democratic primaries in '04.
Which is OK, since they will pick some liberal empty suit and he will get hammered by Bush.
You lefties better get your act together. You lost in 2000, you lost in 2002, you are getting ready for a trifecta. Pelosi? Come on. Gephardt? Mr. Charisma himself? Kerry? Your own extreme wing will smear him as a war criminal.
Whoever controls the center, controls American politics. All the centrists in the Democratic party get dismissed as conservatives.
Yours is a party where Al Sharpton is considered a power broker.
Regards,
Shodan
…skips off singing "Happy Days are Here Again…
**grendel72—**I certainly don’t take issue with the fact that you’re calling Lieberman a religious nut. My qualm is with your calling him a liberal, which he most certainly is not.
Right, Shodan, because the Republican party certainly doesn’t have any extremists. I forgot that Ashcroft is a Democrat.
He could be the CEO of an oil company who executes prisoners by poisoning them then feeding them to endangered species and I guarantee that he would be called “liberal” running on the Democratic ticket. The word is meaningless at this point.
I think he has some chance-re:
Name recognition,
A democrat to the center
Not Bush
really, though, I doubt I’ll be voting Democrat OR Republican so whoever I vote for will not be president anyway.
Personally, i like the fact that he believes in God, but that doesn’t make one a good president, re: Bush…
Lieberman has a good shot at the nomination. He has very high name recognition as a consequence of 2000 so he starts off as the front runner. He can wave the bloody shirt of florida in the primaries without being seen as stuck in the past of Gore would have. He gets very good press with the whole conscience of the Senate gimmick. He left a positive impression with his perfomance in the VP debate. He is also a centrist with a pro-war record which may help him seem electable.
On the negative side his anti-hollywood stances may make it hard for him to raise money there. He has a very unispiring personality which may remind voters of the 2000 debacle. He is from a small state which is ideologically out of step with much of the country. Because of his 2000 run as VP he is probably vulnerable to a Gary Hart style “new ideas” candidate. He is also very vulnerable to a Green party challenge.
Given the abbreviated nature of the campaigns his name recognition might be enough to win it for him if he can manage the expectations game in the early primaries.
The best case scenario is for him to come in 2nd to Gephardt in Iowa, second to Kerry in NH and second to Edwards in SC. This would make him the front runner in a four person race between him Kerry, Edwards and Sharpton.
[qoute]Whoever controls the center, controls American politics. All the centrists in the Democratic party get dismissed as conservatives.
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Controls the center is right. The real problem for Dems is that the Repubs pretty much control the media so whatever they say goes, goes.
I mean, since when has doing nothing while the economy goes to hell in a handbasket been the centrist position? Since when has letting working people lose their homes because they can’t find a job been the centrist position? Since when has letting working people run around sick because they can’t get decent health care been the centrist position? Since when has pissing on the Constitution been the centrist position? Since when has “shoot first, ask questions later?” been the centrist foreign policy position? Especially with a bunch of chickenhawks running the show?
Sorry, the Repubs passed the centrist position a long time ago, and they’re not looking back, and thanks to their control of the media, most Americans aren’t either. Just hope we get our bearings before a Bush gets elected President for Life.
To everyone who has said they’d like Lieberman, and especially those who’ve said ‘at least he’s not bush’, what do you like about him? Are there any policies he advocates that you like or that are different from bush? Or is it just superficial stuff, like whether his team jersey has a D or R on it? I don’t like Bush (and am really unlikely to vote for him in 2004), but I understand what any of the Democratic candidates are supposed to offer. Especially in light of the positions that SMDB democrats seem to take on various issues; most of the people who are complaining about Shrub and Asscroft don’t seem to be in favor of censorship or going to war, yet they seem to like people like Lieberman.
Where the %^#$%!! is Bill Bradley?
And all the moderate Republicans get dismissed as RINOs (Republicans In Name Only).
Where the GOP has excelled lately (GWB 2000; Ehrlich 2002) is in the art of disguising solidly conservative positions with a gloss of centrist rhetoric.
It works, but neither is it particularly honest, nor does it support your argument.
First, he’d have to have some power to broker.
Besides, Tom DeLay is a power broker in your party. And so’s Pat Robertson and James Dobson. Jerry Falwell used to be one.
Yeah, the Dems have a roach or two. You guys have the whole frickin’ motel. 