Life decisions and the military.

My father went into the Navy when he was halfway through college, at least somewhat as an escape from school and an easy way to get a good steady career. It worked for him for thirty years, more or less, before he retired. He definitely does not regret the decision, he loves his country even if he doesn’t love the direction it’s going in, and he believes the military is one of the best things that ever happened to his life.

Mother joined the Army when she was ending college, too – I never really got her reasons, but I think they were similar to my father’s. They met in language school and got married and Mother left the military to take care of me and be a wife and mother. She does not, I think, regret the decision – apparently she thinks I turned out pretty darned well – but I think sometimes she wonders what life would have been life if she’d gone down another road.

Lots of my friends have been in one corner of service or another – oddly enough, most of my friends have ended up doing intelligence in the branch of their choice.

I’ve been surrounded by it all my life but I’ve never really felt the deep desire to enlist before. There was plenty I could do, I reasoned, in the private sector. There were jobs I could do that were a lot more fun than taking orders from some shouty arrogant bastard or serving politicians I didn’t trust. I have a low bullshit tolerance and tend to be outspoken when I think I’ve been sent on a stupid errand. I am personally if not professionally disorganized and I have been known to waffle on decisions that might hurt someone.

I’ve never felt that desire until recently.

The thing I’ve always found missing from my life is purpose, drive, desire. What do I do now? I bother people until they pay my company what they owe. What have I done before? Kept offices organized, talked to cranky people and fixed their problems, wrote reports. All of those are noble in their own right, but I’ve never felt ‘right’ wherever I went. I’m bad at being content. I’m tired of nothing I do having any meaning. I’m restless. I’m anxious.

And yellow-dog liberal that I am, I’m also crankily patriotic. I love my country like I love my parents, even if I hate what certain bastards are doing to it. Mom and Dad raised me that way, I guess, along with a sense of responsibility. It’s not to please my father that I’m considering this – he is of the opinion that I would be well-served if I enlisted, but he’s not interested in making decisions for me. I think my mother would spaz, but I know she would support me. I think she would not do it happily, but she would.

I’m not in favor of me killing people. Even if there’s no Hell, I think it’s bad for the soul. If I went in I would want to follow in my mother’s and father’s footsteps and become a linguist, and while there’s certainly a nonzero chance of my someday shooting the crap out of someone or getting myself shot or exploded or the like, I’m thinking that a translator’s purpose is to minimize unnecessary death and destruction. I’m good with that.

My weight problems appear to be an unexpected bonus. Who would have though tto be thankful for being obese? It means I have a lot of time and a lot of work and a lot of opportunity to decide that I am in fact smoking crack right now. I might well be. But no matter how low the military’s standards may be dropping, they aren’t low enough to accept me as I am right now. I have to achieve my main goal of getting into at least reasonably good shape before I could even consider joining up. And maybe tomorrow or next week or next month I’ll look at this and start laughing.

Then again, maybe I won’t. But I have a lot of time before I can take that step.

(For what it’s worth, I’m 27, about to turn 28, with a college education. I’ve heard a thousand and one stories about What It’s Really Like. I don’t have many illusions.)

They would accept you as you are. You’d be surprised. There were a couple obese guys in my Air Force basic training flight. One made it, the other washed out. The MTIs (AF version of drill instructors) worked these guys hard. If there was a job that involved running and/or moving quickly, they got it.

Aside from that, I’d lose the weight anyway, if I could.

Oh, and for what it’s worth – I’ve heard a thousand and one stories, but I’m glad to hear more. If you have advice, even if it’s to tell me I’m out of my mind, I’m glad to hear it. :smiley:

Dudley – I get a little winded hiking up three storeys to my office. I’m a hundred pounds over what I should be for my height, and I’m a chick. You really think they’d take me like this?

I’m not sure, but it’s possible. If you score well on the ASVAB and you don’t have anything physically wrong with you, they will most likely take you. But if you enlist in your current physical condition, expect to work so hard that you’ll feel like you want death on a daily basis. I’m not joking.

While you’re marching, you have 4 people in the formation who are called road guards; two in the front, two in the back. When your flight (or platoon) comes to an intersection, the road guards in the rear have to run at full speed to pass the front of the formation to block traffic in time for the flight to cross the street without stopping. Say you’re on a 3 mile march and you have to go through 15 intersections. This is IN ADDITION to the 3 mile march. The two obese guys in my flight fell, vomited, and cried on several occasions only to have the MTI in their faces screaming at them.

If you’d like to join, I’d highly recommend losing the weight on your terms, but if you lack the willpower (no offense here, some people are just not as driven as others), this is one way to do it.

Hm. Given your description of above, yeah, I’d probably be hurtin’ but I’d survive, even in the Texas heat I live in. :smiley: I have very dogged willpower when I feel I have a pressing reason to use it, I just haven’t… well, really haven’t bothered losing weight because I never had much of a concrete goal in mind.

I joined the Army when I was a 28-year-old college grad, and it was the best decision ever. My feeling in general is that anyone who thinks the military might right for him/her is probably right, and will probably enjoy it. I’d love to encourage you to join up, but the current administration kind of ruined all that for me.

Might as well talk to a recruiter right now. If your weight is an issue, he/she’ll know that and either work with you on it or tell you you’ll never stand a chance.

Your recruiters might be the same old kind of chauvinists that I dealt with, who aren’t enthusiastic about recruiting females. Be aware of that when you’re talking to them.

Good luck!

Keep in mind that basic is not a weight loss clinic. It’s where they teach you how to be a sailor/airman/marine/soldier, and it’s a very physical process. If you’re obese and losing weight along the way, you’re essentially going to be slowly progressing behind everyone else who is in shape. (And I don’t think they’ll let you in if you’re already beyond their max body fat %, although your recruiter will have the best word on that) If you’re serious about joining, you’ll be serious about losing the weight before joining. If you don’t have that much willpower and/or respect for you body and health, I don’t see how the military is going to help you.

Sorry to sound like a stick in the mud. :frowning:

Thank you for your interest** Little Plastic Ninja,** the Army needs people like you. Really. Since you have a degree, you can go in as an officer, or you can come in as an enlisted person. I would challenge you to discover what is your best choice. I was 30 years old and had a degree in Psychology and thought enlisted would be the best for me. I came in because I felt no real drive in anything I did and saw every employer as a job that I could leave if I felt frustrated. You can’t (usually) quit the military.
I have a job now where if I am charged with shooting people, I was advised to surrender (won’t happen). If you are concerned about your weight, talk to a recruiter. Or better, talk to several. I had a Soldier in my Basic Training who lost 60 pounds during his period of Basic. We all cheered and cried when he made it. It goes to mind set. If you see yourself as a Soldier, you will make it. If you see yourself a quitter, you won’t.
As to the fact that you don’t think you can have people barking orders at you all day, just think you have the velvet glove treatment now. You still have deadlines (we call them suspenses) you still have people telling you what to do. You can get through that. I would advise you to choose a MOS that you really enjoy and the time will go by quick. After four years, you will know if the Army is right for you.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about joining.

SSG Schwartz

Like you, I’d been around the military my entire life. A year or so out of high school, I too found myself with no purpose or direction. Impulsively, having given the matter essentially no thought, I called the USAF recruiter.

I really don’t know why - I was not exactly the kind of person you expect to succeed in the military, but I was the kind of kid you see on the street & think “Someone needs to send that punk to military school!” Frankly, I was a complete slacker with no respect for authority. Needless to say, I had a difficult time adjusting. There was a lot of yelling & standing at attention & an Article 15…

But somewhere along the line I devloped a strong work ethic, a healthy respect for authority (mabye better categorized as “an ability to pick my battles wisely”) and generally figured out how to be a productive member of society. By the time my enlistment was up, I was the go-to guy when something needed to be done, and a well-respected member of my squadron.

In a lot of ways, it was both the best and worst four years of my life. But it was definitely the best decision I ever made. I generally encourage people to enlist.

They could put him through twice. :slight_smile:

ninja, I AM an Air Force recruiter. Regardless of what you score on the ASVAB or any other test, the Air Force will not let you in if you exceed our height/weight or bodyfat standards. If you are interrested, you better hurry up for the Air Force. You typically can’t enlist after 28 (possible with a waiver, but hard) and as an officer it gets harder the older you get. If you want more specific information, PM me.

That must be new then, because the two guys in my BMTS flight were way overweight.

Overweight and out of standards for body fat are two different things. The recruiter of the service you are interested in can measure you for the % body fat, and if you are in some kind of delayed entry program, may have you show up a couple of times a week for some semi-organized physical conditioning with the others who are waiting for their ship dates. That’s how it went when I joined up, but that was 24 years ago.

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Ninja, definitely talk to a recruiter, or take up billyb0b on his offer. Good luck to you.

Dear heart, I’m not using Basic as a weight loss program. I’m using the prospect of Basic as a reason to lose weight BEFORE enlisting. I have the willpower to do it, I’ve just never… really… bothered.

I’m really looking in that direction. XD

From my previous experience, I know that with a very focused program (over an hour a day four times a week, good diet) and determination I can be quite fit if not thin in 3-6 months.

Thank you all for your advice. I’m keeping on listening and I’m keeping on thinking. And I’m starting with a personal trainer tomorrow. :wink:

Start doing 8-counts, these were a big thing in Great Lakes when I was there 20 years ago. What’s an 8-count?

Starting in a standing position:

  1. Squat.
  2. Get into pushup position.
  3. Split your legs apart.
  4. Bring them together again.
  5. Down.
  6. Up.
  7. Get back into squating position.
  8. Stand up.
    Repeat.

Since you have a college education, I’d seriously look into Basic then OCS. One of my best friends went that route about 9 months ago (he’s 34!?!?) and is a 2LT in the Army now, doing Signal Officer training.

I think he felt much the same way that you did- he’s happy as he could be now, and seems much more motivated in general, than he ever did before or after college.

I’m looking in that direction as we speak. I still need to take the ASVAB and all that… best brush up on the ol’ algebra, though I did take a couple of practice tests and there’s certainly nothing beyond my abilities there. Still, I haven’t divided fractions or multiplied exponents in a long while. :wink:

The website seems to indicate that someone can actually start out with rank or achieve quite a bit within two years. How does that work? Everyone starts out at the bottom assuming no prior service, right? Are the various differences indicative more of a person, say, joining the Army after a stint in the Navy?

If it’s anything like the Navy (and I’m assuming it is), you’ll start out (after OCS and upon commissioning) as an O-1 (2nd Lt in the Army), and will progress to O-2 (1st Lt) by your 2-year mark providing that a) you still have a pulse, and b) you haven’t run over the General’s daughter in a Humvee. Rank progression is fairly automatic until you get to the O-4 level (Major), when people actually start looking at your record and fitness reports. Of course, I’m speaking from the Navy side–don’t know if it holds true in the Army, but I’m guessing it does. Also, don’t get stars in your eyes about wearing a butterbar. It’s great to be an Officer, but generally speaking, O-1’s garner little respect from anyone. Regardless, yes, you can still accomplish much very quickly in your career. As an O-2 in the Navy, I was responsible for the entire deployment of my crew (24 people) and my plane ($35 million)–safe running of the reconnaissance missions and the safety and welfare of my crew for 2-month detachments. Pretty cool stuff to be doing with only a few years under my belt.

If you do go Navy, when you’re an Ensign, people are going to assume, because of your age, that you have prior enlisted experience, and went with a commissioning program. I’m not saying you have to lie to people, but don’t go out of your way to disabuse them of this notion. It’ll help you establish a little bit more credibility until you’ve got to start proving yourself by performance.

This might not make a lot of sense now, and I’m sure someone else can step up and say it better, but you’ll understand what I mean if and when you get to that point.

I’m pretty used to being the low ninja on the totem pole. One of those Things my father always taught me was that no respect can be expected that is not earned. Holy cow for responsibility, though. That must be quite the rush, and I can’t decide whether that’s scary or not. At the moment I just have the financial concerns of a few thousand customers to worry about. :smiley:

Ahh, aka time for Thoughtful Silence. No, that makes sense; I am relatively long in the tooth to be starting out. I also look quite young (I was mistaken for SEVENTEEN on Tuesday, which really made me chuckle). There’s nothing wrong with letting people believe I know what I’m doing. :wink:

That’s one of those things I never would have considered. Good to know!