Hey, Sport, I never said he was. I pointed him out as an example of a liberal who is on the side of Shiavo parents. Here is a full list of the democrats who voted for the Terri Schiavo Act. Jackson just happens to be the liberal getting the most air time, at least in my area, on this issue. Heck, he is getting more airtime than any politician as far as I can tell.
Trying to blame the whole Shiavo controversy on conservatives alone is just stupid. Just as lumping all conservatives together as anti-abortion, pro death penality, anti-research(stem cells) christians is wrong.
Oh come on. They’re conservative positions. Just like being anti-death penalty, pro-choice etc. are liberal positions. If every time someone criticizes a conservative position your refutation is “but not all conservatives believe that so don’t call it conservative,” then the term conservative becomes meaningless.
As a liberal I am honest enough to criticize “liberals” as too soft on Saddam and too anti-corporate. I will criticize them in the third person because it’s appropriate when I’m taking a position that is not “traditionally liberal.” I don’t claim that being anti-war isn’t a “liberal” position just because I don’t happen to agree with it.
hehe… it was quite instructive actually… thanks for the link… one never stops to learn in the SMDB !
I know Terry Schiavo (sp?) seems to be the focus of my rantish OP… but I did mention some stuff that is getting prominence elsewhere. The Pope’s opposition to euthanasia and in Brazil the attempt to make illegal the abortion of brainless fetuses. (Abortion is illegal except for certain cases here)
This brainless (acephalic) babies being the most absurd... afterall maybe Terry girl might wake up one day... very very hard... but not ZERO.... but a brainless fetus is 100% guaranteed to die... and yet we've seen Catholic Bishops saying on TV here that women should bear these will be dead children to the end of their pregnancies because after all they are alive until they die !!!! Obviously the fact that "god" didn't provide them with brains seems a sure indication of the "his" wanting them dead... but fine for these men of "god".
I’m sorry but for this atheist this reads loud and clear “fuck women”.
Now back to the States… if a priest comes forward to talk about keeping TS alive its clearly very different from politicians coming forward. Even if these politicians naturally have personal beliefs. Some might in fact not be opportunistic… but certainly most seem to be. Its the drawing the line on the sand and determining who is hardcore religiou and who ain’t.
So to me it certainly seems like a lot of religious people (sometimes but not always also known as Conservatives) have a pretty wierd sense of what is living and dying with dignity.
No worries. I bet that hispanics are also high, maybe even AS high. I know they listed them as lower, but if the reaction of many in my own family (quite a few in my family are absolutely outraged that the courts ‘murdered’ this woman, and there are a few that won’t even speak to me because I tried to explain why this isnt’ so) is any indication that poll is reporting lower numbers than the reality. I can guess how that might happen too if they called hispanic like me, as opposed to my various aunts and uncles with yards full of Mary statues and such and rosary beads throughout the house (not to bust to heavily on my own family, but there SHOULD be limits to how many Mary statues should be allowed, and what colors they should be painted…not to mention how much gloop should be allowed in the house shrine, or how many religious pictures or crosses should be put on the walls. ).
I wouldn’t get too excited about a 3 point drop. As with all presidents their popularity seems to fluxuate up and down quite a bit. Besides, its moot…he’s a lame duck anyway, and Chaney isn’t going to be running for president in this life time.
These “men of God” are spouting personal opinions, NOT the official policy.
The official policy is that disproportionately burdensome measures are not required. They, if already in place, can be removed. If the person so wishes, according to this policy, they are entitled to refuse care. So, you are allowed to “let nature take its course”. The official prohibition would be against actively causing death. You can withdraw the tubes and pumps. You can not kill in any active way (deliberate overdose or poison for example).
I believe that is also the opinion of the Florida bishops.
We have no moral right to end an innocent human life in this situation.
What unwanted babies, there are many people willing to adopt, we can talk about this again if things change.
We have no moral right to end an innocent human life in this situation. I would like to see strong drugs available and highly experimental procedures, if the person permits.
We have no moral right to end an innocent human life in this situation. And BTW all people will die, well we have the whole 2nd coming coming so some might not.
A married teenager can engage in sex, so your teenager comment is a non-issue. Also though only slightly effective, the rythm method is some protection against pregnancy. The unmarried is true, it appears that God would rather you wait till marriage, I can’t imagine why God might have set this rule, what benifit to humanity could this be? As for gay, if you mean happy, then most people having sex are happy, but I fear you mean another type, I chose not to comment on this as it gets some dopers hot and bothered.
We have no moral right to end an innocent human life in one situation. But that doesn’t rule out capital punishment for a person found guilty of a horriable crime.
This is going to be bantered back and forth for a long while, stay tuned.
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