Light Bulbs - Why should we switch to lights nobody likes?

Here is an article from the New York Times review the new lights bulbs that will be our only choice in a few years. Results - they suck.

So why should we switch to these new light bulbs? The energy savings are practically nothing. (Think about how much more we could do for the environment by switching over to nuclear.) They are full of dangerous chemicals. And they look like crap.

Did you read the article? Or did you stop at the top of page 2?

Yes, you do. I’d bet I could google up some quotes from candle enthusiasts from 1895, dissing light bulbs of any sort.

Almost all the bulbs in my home are compact fluorescents, and I like them. The light is clean and bright. The minichandelier over my dining room table has soft white-swirled alabaster shades that look gorgeous with the white CF light shining through them. They’re bell-shaped; about an inch of CF spiral protrudes below their rims; the overall impression is of elegant blossoms.

In hot weather, the CF bulbs burn cooler than incandescents and are therefore easier to work near; they also reduce the need for air conditioning since there’s less waste heat being radiated into the area to be cooled.

When you first make the switch it takes a little getting used to; but once you’re accustomed to CF light, it’s to me at least superior to that hot yellow light. It’s not hard to find them; they’re available at hardware stores and a lot of grocery stores, for that matter, with screw-in ends that fit perfectly into sockets designed for incandescents. The current generation of CF bulbs are nearly as small as their incandescent cousins and fit nicely in most uses. The electricity saved is considerable, compared to an incandescent giving an equivalent level of light.

I really don’t see what the big deal is.

Do you notice a difference in colors with them? As in, you buy a blouse because you liked the color in the store, get it home, and in the sunlight/incandescent light the color isn’t nearly as attractive. Is that an issue? :confused:

Depending on how you crunch the heating and cooling numbers, it might save about 6 or 7% of household energy use over time.

For an anti-AGW legislator looking to be “green” it’s a no-brainer. There is a cost-saving over time to the consumer because of the extended life of the bulb and the electricity savings. You can still light your house, save money, and be helpful in the AGW war. Win/win/win.

Heck of a lot easier than legislation which turns our lifestyle into that of Tanzanians, and certainly easier than banning those bodacious Tatas.

I’ve been replacing incandescents with CFLs in our house as the incandescents burn out. The only mildly bothersome thing is the ~half-second delay when you turn them on.

The light itself is fine.

Be careful too, of the type of CFL you buy. There are some that flicker at 60Hz, some that flicker at 20,000Hz. The ones that flicker at 60Hz give my wife a migraine in less than 5 minutes, but she is fine with the others. It makes it hard to go to peoples houses who have used the cheaper kind. Look for the Energy Star symbol on them, to get the ones with the higher rate.

One of ours buzzed for a while (I H.A.T.E. high-pitched noises), but otherwise no complaints. Other than the toxic chemicals that apparently leak out when you throw them away. :frowning:

I’ve experimented with different types. Some have a blue, florescent light just like the tubes - I don’t like that. The GE ones seem the most mellow yellow to me.

Also, one set that I bought had a noticeable buzzing sound - no good for the bedroom or living room where I like to read. I just moved them down to the laundry room, where a buzzing noise doesn’t matter.

For me it was. I have two identical lamps in my living room. One normal lightbulb burned out a while ago, and I replaced it with a CF light (don’t remember where I bought it) and it was fine.
Recently, the other light, and my kitchen lights burned out, and I bought a 4 pack of CFs from Loews and replaced them, and gasped in horror as the light in my kitchen is now a ghastly yellow color. (The living room light is also yellow, and while it doesn’t look anywhere near as good as the first white lamp, it’s only one yellow bulb instead of the three working together in the kitchen).

So, yes, if would be a good idea to can find an example of the particular bulb you plan to buy before you buy it.

Although I’m happy with most of them, the candelabra-base ones with the little football-shaped bulbs are working very badly. In an 8-bulb chandelier, the bulbs take 4 or 5 minutes to reach full brightness. Even then, they aren’t as bright as the earlier 40w incandescents. In a bathroom, we have two in a double swag lamp. When you flip the switch, they start very dim, and they take most of a minute to fully light up. Growf.

Our electric company sent two free CFs to every house they service. (I got four bulbs, because we own both halves of a duplex, even though no one lives in the other side). They are EarthBrite by Niagara Conservation, and they do have an energy star symbol on the box.

I’ve replaced three burned-out incandescents with them, and so far, they’re fine.

I’d be wary of replacing my bathroom lights with them, as I put on my makeup in the bathroom, and want the most natural light there possible. But so far, I have two in my dining room (in a 3-bulb fixture, so one is still incandescent) and one in my kitchen (in a 2-bulb fixture). I suppose the real test would be to replace all the bulbs in one fixture with the CFs. But I think it was smart of them to give away the first ones.

As for the question posed by the OP’s title, I think that, for some people, removing the choice of incandescents is the only way to get them to switch. Of course, whether removing that choice is a good thing or not is a whole 'nother debate. But I disagree with the title’s assertion that “nobody likes them”.

Until they work with dimmer switches, I’ll stay away from CFs. The ability to control the level of lighting is something that I have gotten used to and do not want to relinquish.

Don’t worry, LEDs will ultimately replace flourescents too.

Bingo. I have the CF bulbs in most lamps in my home, but we have too many overheads on dimmer switches to switch over 100%.

Dimmable CFLs are available. So, you don’t have that excuse anymore.

Nobody will know what a CF swirly bulb is in 20 years when LED’s become more popular. They work with dimmer switches.

I haven’t tried one yet but will when they hit the stores. Here is a site that has a spreadsheet you can click on for a cost savings comparison. Even at 18 times the cost of a CF bulk the LED’s save more money due to bulb life and lower wattage. I think the costs shown in the spread sheet are off but you get the idea. When LED’s come down in price it will change the CF market considerably. I’ve already switched to a 3 watt Mag light and it kicks ass. I keep it in my car and the low battery drain makes it so much more reliable than older bulk technology.

With all that said, I’m not too keen on the government trying to legislate out conventional bulbs. It’s not their job.

I dislike the light given by the CF swirlies, and I dislike the high-handed banning of an largely innocuous product by the government. If it really saves money and helps the environment, then people who want to switch can do so freely. Those who value the softer look of incandesents should be able to buy them without government interference.

And few people seem to be talking about the dangerous chemicals in fluorescents, which will probably come back to bite us in a few years’ time. I personally don’t think further mercury pollution is worth an incremental decrease in CO2.

I plan to buy a case or two of standard incandescents just before they become illegal.

After that, “Psst…wanna buy a bootleg bulb?”

Or, “Whatcha got this week, Tommy?”

“I got some primo weed, Man, real good, sticky buds, some dynamite coke from Columbia, and a new shipment of 60 watters from Canada…”

Yah, bu if you poke around the net you’ll find they’re not all created equal. I would be very leary of using a dimmable CF even if it gets good reviews.