non, the last is banning for the violation for some hadith of decisions that has never changed since the perfect days of the salaf. Or for bida3
Yeah, but a bad, dumbing-down type of thing.
No it doesn’t. Kudos encourage dialogue. Dialogue happens now by pure inertia. It’s at best indifferent to dialogue.
If you think it’s a dumbing down…you don’t know what gamification is or you’ve only seen it implemented wrong.
At it’s heart it’s rewarding people for not doing the bare minimum and doing things that achieves the desired result. In fact it’s exactly the opposite of dumbing down.
What, you think introducing kudos isn’t going to encourage competition? yeah, that looks like a bundle of positives there. And that’s a bunch of pro-gamification people saying it. Even if the leaderboard is only in people’s heads, it’s still real - have you seen how serious some people take post counts?
I have never heard the term “gamification” before, so I looked if up. According to Wikipedia, it has “captured the attention of venture capitalists” and has been criticized as “not being fun and creating an artificial sense of achievement,” “an allegedly populist idea that actually benefits corporate interests over those of ordinary people,” and “flawed and misleading for those unfamiliar with gaming,” among other things.
It sounds like the latest marketing fad to me. Any feature that involves tokens or anonymous upvotes or “likes” seems shallow and lazy to me. If you agree with what I posted or think I made a good point, use words and tell me. If you disagree with me, use your words also and tell me why you disagree or why you think I made a dumb point. I’d rather have discourse with people and have interaction with them on a meaningful level than play games with them.
So, yeah, I agree with the handful of others who said anything else is “dumbing down.”
Like I said, you don’t know what gamification is. Has nothing to do with likes or kudos. You’re most certainly not alone, half the executives who think they are doing it don’t know either.
Why don’t you fight our ignorance and tell us how gamification would benefit us? So far all you’re doing is objecting that we don’t know what it is. All I know is that if Big Business is for it, then I’m agin it. It sounds like a buzzword to me.
It should at the least be called ludification.
It’s a change to the board. Just like at McSorley’s Old Ale House in New York City, no changes must ever be made. It’ll change the tone of the serious intellectual discourse that takes place within these hallowed halls.
In all seriousness, there’s no good Reddit- or Facebook-style upvote/like plugin available for vBulletin. There’s several old-school “thank the poster” hacks, but they’re quite awkward; instead of a simple number of likes, it lists everybody that “thanked” the poster underneath the post.
I don’t know about gamification, but a Reddit-style upvote would benefit GQ, I think, by sinking silly questions like “Why doesn’t the government just print as enough money to pay off the trade deficit?” and false answers. Allowing images in the Game Room is an absolute no-brainer, as it would allow screenshots to be shared in videogame discussions and open up possibilities for new thread and post games.
There’s a frequent assumption that voting options, images, and so on will somehow ruin the board. That’s silly because 1) the change can be undone and 2) it’s not like the users will all be lobotomized. The intelligent posts made by intelligent people will still be there, they’d just have images and a couple extra buttons. Stupid posts would be less visible, one would hope.
In any event, such changes are beyond the capability of anyone on staff except the single administrator, who only appears when thing go seriously wrong. Even a trivial change, such as reverting to the old smileys (which many users loudly favored, incidentally) was too difficult to arrange. Intelligently implementing something like an upvote system is simply beyond the realm of possibility.
Gamification isn’t really what I’m asking for. A thumbs up or thanks is not gamification in any way, shape or form. Gamification at it’s heart is about public accountability and rewards for a job well done, and leveraging people’s competitive nature to make otherwise thankless tasks fun and encourage them to be better at what they do. It’s a buzzword and people misconstrue it, especially those who use the word “its social” as a justification for things in the same way they used to use “synergy”.
My point is that gamification, when implemented smartly, has been proven to net better results and better engagement in the business world. In the same way, SDMB posters in GQ and GD would be better motivated to contribute to the discussion and fight ignorance if a framework was in place for people to recognize it.
Real gamification requires constant management and change to keep it fresh and a meaningful rewards system in place. Neither is really reasonable for this board. But, making it REALLY easy (and maybe even anonymous) for people to say “hey, you just made the SDMB a little better” would be a self-propagating system for everyone’s benefit. It’s just simple human nature.
To all the people who say “just post a message or send a PM”, well that’s possible now and it almost never happens. That’s just too expensive. There’s plenty of evidence that that doesn’t work, just look around.
Omniscient, you seem to be contradicting yourself.
I don’t go for what you’re suggesting and I don’t think we need it here. But that’s just one person’s opinion and I think I’ve made my point, so I’ll just bow out and let others respond.
If you can show me a real difference, in this Board’s context, between upvotes/likes/kudo (which you say aren’t gamification), and the gamification ideas of reward badges, levels and leaderboards, I might believe you. Unless you’re going to claim those also aren’t gamification in any way, shape or form…
I know how to spell the singular noun kudos, damn it.
Buying me a drink is the easiest way to do this.
I’m not sure if I should be snarky or actually respond here, this question seems a bit ridiculous on its face. Do you not see a distinction between saying “thank you” for something and saying “2 points to Gryffindor!”? Never mind that I suggested making these “thanks” a private communication to mitigate the risk of people scorekeeping.
I guess I should have expected the onslaught of the SDMB pedants when I mentioned gamification casually.
The original point is that people like to be recognized for a job well done and recognizing them makes it far more likely that they’ll continue to do a good job. Is this seriously a controversial idea? This place is so absurd sometimes.
If you have to tie a steak to a kid’s neck to get the dog to play, that’s an ugly kid.
If you have to bribe someone to participate, their participation isn’t worth the bribe.
But does popularity mean the job is well done, or that that poster and/or the idea is liked by the people on that board?
+10 ( because one just won’t do… )