Lion vs Tiger

In My Humble Opinion
241

I disagree.

242

I didn’t say it couldn’t be done. I just wanted to see the cites. That’s the way it’s done here on the SDMB. You make claims, be prepared to back them up.

You’ve put **My Lord **in a tough spot. I don’t know what he could do to rebut your argument. It’s not like he has any more cites.

243

You dont say…so it ended at 67…yes? Well heres 68…

  1. Indian Rement of past conflicts of old.

The Anvár-i Suhailí;
lion kills several tigers
When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death<----
The Anvár-i Suhailí; Or, The Lights of Canopus - Google Books

I’m curious?
Wheres your 68 accounts, to even get it out of the hole of 8/10…you do know just to get to 50/50 you have to present the exact same amount…right? So as of right now, all you are is a troll.

Tootles Troll :slight_smile:

244

Whoa almost 12,000 geez that stickey post is going down! XD XD

245

I dunno, man. Still looks like they’re totally mouth kissing. Perverts.

Anyhow, I have no doubt this will become a sticky in this forum due to: 1) the number of hits indicating earnest interest on this topic. 2) this topic being one of the most important issues of our times; both modern and ancient… but that goes without saying, and 3) your fastidious, in-depth analysis, on top of providing a lower-than-average (yet a decent amount) of cites of lions fighting and/or making out with tigers.

246

A’s the topic starter, can I JU’ST say

12,000 Views! XD

More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD

247

:confused:

So, is My Lord a sock for qbadger?

248

Heres another Source that says lions usually defeated tigers in the Roman Arenas…

Decapitating ostriches with crescent-headed arrows was a favorite trick at gladiator battles. The crowds cheered and roared with laughter as the ostrich continued to run around after its head was cut off. Bears usually defeated bulls. Packs of hounds easily dispatched deers. Lions usually defeated tigers. Not even a rhino could penetrate the hide of an elephant.
http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=2061&catid=56&subcatid=369

249

lol You stole my thunder!

250

Found a lead, it seems this person of the 1500’s have had drawn animal fights an he drew a lion an tiger fighting…I’ll be looking around if I can find his peice, I wonder who he drew winning?

251

I still think the tiger wins.

252

Well in true fashion…both has won already, the question is not (who will) win more, its (who has) won more.

Thats the answers I’m looking for. If you ask who will win more…you’ll get a Bias opinion (no matter what)…But if you ask who has won more you can get a account showing who won, then its basically tallying up how many you can find. Even that might be a little trickey, because if a lion fan found a account of a tiger killing a lion, would he present it or conseal it and only show a account he found of a lion killing a tiger? An would a tiger fan find a lion killing a tiger an conseal it as well an only present accounts of tigers killing lions? We wouldent know, now would we?

Thats why its better off if you be 50/50, because we really dont know, but we can speculate of course, an thats the whole purpose of bringing it up…an I found around 30-40 accounts of tigers winning, an 120 of lions winning…am I bias for the lions? Well I’d like to think not, I did state that tigers have almost 40 a Bias person would have said none… but thats all I could find, if you can find more then hey I’ll add them to the list with no probs.

253

Cite?

254

Cite of what?

255

I think he is asking if the lion and tiger were of equal health and bred to the same level of aggression. As a tiger apologist, I am still not seeing if the animals were evenly matched in terms of the health of the animals involved or whether or not the tigers were tricked into a show match that turned ugly behind their back. Common sense says that, since a tiger is bigger and stronger, it should win most of the time. I think there may have been some gambling rigging and general tomfoolery going on with the results shown so far.

I don’t dispute many of the reported facts but I wonder what the outcome would be if you had a lion and tiger both of equal health and trained in the same fighting styles.

256

More MMA wins have been by knockout they say, so the better striker will still have better chances (assuming similar well-rounded training.)

257

I left 12 occaisions of (wild) lions killing (wild) tigers which they mentioned that the tigers were Quote" Un-belivably huge"…what have you brought or you are seeing that can match it? Let alone the 100s of pit fights an captive fights… Tigers do not have an advantage of size because they are too (Similar) I proved that with over 20 Zoologiist that weighed over 50 tigers each in the (wild) an they averaged no bigger than lions some not even getting to 500 pounds an a over-all tiger speices average of 420 pounds (Average), same goes with captive lions an tigers what ever weights the tiger reached so can the lion…I showed that with almost 30…800-900 pound lions, so unless your selecting the match by bias porportions pitting a smaller lion…than stop saying tigers are bigger they are so similar that sometimes the tiger is larger sometimes the lion, I can show you over 50 lions in the wild that passed 270 Kg, with ease so you cannot by-pass weights unless you go by there---->(Averages) so you cant give your bias opinion an think it should be taken into consideration (which it isint) unless your hand picking the fighters, which I could do the same… Your just trying to act like theres a significant advantage when theres not, trying to alibie B.S (secoundary) sites that hadent even had people that weighed them.

You dont even enphinsize saying what the tiger is stronger in…sures as hell not there swipes or frontal body power, tigers have stronger back limbs, which aids acrobaitcs an leaping an running speed, while lions have bigger, broader, taller an stronger front limbs which aids powerfuler swipes an frontal wrestling.

Gamibling an rigging? lol Funny you should bring that up…the tiger side has only 3/15th the amount of accounts yet there percentage has more rigged an gambling bullshit then the lions entire account ratio…like

-The fact that 80% of the tiger wins were of Male tigers killing female lions (as showed)

-Roman Proske Jabbed a steel fork in the lions eye giving the tiger leverage.

-edmunds mengerines lion had no teeth or claws to defend him self.

-The tower of london had 2 wild tigers agianst 1 tamed lion

-Baroda had a fixed fight

-The conklin circus had tied up the lion an let the tiger cheat.

Dont be making B.S accusuations unless you know what your even talking about, if you want me to act as if the 100 captivity fights dident happen? Thats fine…Phweet, Boom! There gone…now about the 12 occaisions in the (wild) make a come back when you can just present the accounts to match it…because if were tlking just wild accounts now, than its a 10/10 by data unless you cant present a few (wild ones) than thats how it will stay.

An why or how can that even be possible to train the lion the same way the tiger can fight or in other words train them equally? Thats not possible in the wild, because the tiger is usually solitary, an the lion can live in a Pride as small as 8 to as big as 30, thats why they are better fighters…they are more accustumed to it, they are use to pecking orders, they are the more practiced fighters, everything the tiger does threw territory fights an mating rights so does the lion, yet they do it in much greater quanitys…an they hone in an harnesses all of that within there own Prides, the tiger is just the same as any other big cat, yet lions arnt, their morphology is different, there physiology is built different from all other cat-like structures, there anatomy has something no other cat has a mane, their entire attributes are framed for combat an very little else there liing style is un-like any other cats for they are the only true social big cat or just cat out of all the animaliums of the cat family, it was always constructed that they were mainly war cats, by pretty much every culture that heard an dealt with them, wjhile all the other cats are less than medicore an are primealry just good hunters.

I really like to keep an open mind here, but with the amount an or gestures your portratying there statistics are below what they are in factual data an more so just making up your own standards, making up your own weights, making up the tigers capabilities he dosent even have, making up pretty much your whole fantasy match up of a fight where you want to have a smaller weaker lion lose to a bigger stonger tiger…which makes it seem all you are is just Bias…which is why I presented my data because I dont like the Idea when people make it a priorty to tarnish either or…50/50 is where I stand, yet if you wish to go by data…its a whole different ball game.

258

This thread is at 6 pages? I know there is a sense of huge moral outrage you must feel at the worldwide conspiracy to slight the lions, but come on… just blame the Jews and the Masons and move on.

259

This board fights ignorance. My Lord is spreading knowledge here with his pertinent citations.He has devoted his efforts to establishing the facts. In fact, his 2003 model PC is the only thing holding him back from digging up more accurate historical data.

Unfortunately ignorance fights back. He has to still struggle to convince people. But his single-minded determination will pay off one day.

I vote that this thread be kept permanently open.

Did Jews keep Lions? I don’t know. May be My Lord can provide some citations.

260

World Wide conspiracy you say? It has nothing with the world knowing the truth of the past(I’m pretty sure they know), its the present of Internet Manipulation that effects such a thing as uhhh? Brain washing, one commercial white lie an it can all fall apart for the future Knowledge of education in its implimations, [Example] how would you know the internet Bible is the exact same writings from the old testement? (You wont, you’d just either have to go by faith or dis-belife) One person miss-translating just a few words or dilibertly changing storys could destroy the whole implimation of what its explaining…just like how 80% of the people that have commented (who dosent know anything of this Topic) takes something like wiki as there Holy bible an clings to it for dear life (Not saying the program just the user), some take it to new heights an even lie that they know everything that wiki is true to the bone (which most arnt)…an cite an make up random an fake alibies just to get there Bias favoring (opinion) across. lol

An 6 Pages? Some have pass 50 pages so what are you talking about?

Again conspiracy? I’ll describe things an impliment better in how the (Past) of pretty much every continent, culture, reigon has recorded basically the (majority out come) an all of a sudden people are giving drop dead opinions like its a done deal by enphinsize-ing, Oh tigers always won by this entire culture, or this reigon had recorded that the tiger won 80% of the time, or this continent had said that the tiger never lost to the lion…well I got some bad news for everyone who speaking out there ass…
Where’s the Proof???

lol You take one book or one hear say, than you want others to belive for hundreds an thousands of years that the lion never beat the tiger… or even lost more? lol That aint happening with the amount of Historical significance is wagered on the Libra scale, which no one brings anything of quality an quanity to prove other wise…yet I try…lets see now…

Now, this (Post) is soley on the favoring of what “Countrys” favor a winner of lion vs tiger in a (Fight)??? Not What country has either or just used on coat of arms, or emblems because of (Native idenitys)… No, just what country has the direct dipliction an implimation of one or the other defeating the other in a remnent, scripture, sculpture, painting, etching, statue, an any type of (visual reading or pictorial artifact). Which would show a winning course, a advantage, a kill move, a leverage in the art-deco it self… that is under-standable or agree-able the it is portraying an evident winner.

So lets get started…

Inida:-(Indegidous to lions an tigers)

India the lion is known as the King of the beast, not the tiger.
The Archetypal Symbolism of Animals: Lectures Given at the C.G. Jung ... - Barbara Hannah - Google Books;
Indian folklore has the lion as the ultimate test not tigers.
http://www.wild-india.com/IndianAnimals/indian-lion.html

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1342914/lion-images-02.jpg

Rome:-(Importaions as far back as the 9th century)

City In Greece the lion not the tiger is the King of the beast…
Kull: Exile of Atlantis - Robert E. Howard - Google Books;
“Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against
bears, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights.
~Ken Spiro; WorldPerfect
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x31HZk47L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
http://kenspiro.com/images/STORE_crashcourseBOOK.png
Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion
standing over a prostrate tiger. Art in the Hellenistic Age - Jerome Jordan Pollitt - Google Books
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149_b2c00365d3.jpg
lion kills tiger in Roman arena
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books_003-3.png
And slew before their wond’ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, …
http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ <br>
lion+statue+cope.jpg (image)

http://www.empyraeum-antiquaria.de/ebay/graf/2609_11/2609_5_1.jpg

http://www.royalathena.com/media/Under2500/Roman/GMS021.jpg

http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/F1431805/F1431805101.jpg

http://www.dargate.com/cat/268/86.jpg

http://www.antiquated.co.uk/productimages/2511200674623lion1_th.jpg

http://rsjohnsonfineart.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Fragonard-to-Feininger-Exhibition-Theodore-Gericault-Combat-of-a-Lion-and-a-Tiger-213x213.jpg

http://www.finerareprints.com/animals/gervais/17281.jpg

Japan:-(Importations as far back as the 16th century)

This episode is a pantomime about a lion and a tiger. They fight each other and the lion catches the tiger in the end. This episode is originated from topographical characteristics of Mt. Baek at Suyeong. When a big lion appears in dancing, a tiger (called “Dambo”) comes. They dance and talk back and forth. In the end, the lion catches the tiger.
http://www.suyeongminsok.or.kr/eng/menu01_02.php&lt;br&gt;

http://japanantiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/-652503307253362890.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/05/15/news/photos_galleries/G3061_photo06.jpg

http://www.artvalue.com/image.aspx?PHOTO_ID=2978976

<br>

http://p2.la-img.com/867/21134/7214125_1_l.jpg

<br>

http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/060411/images/296_1.jpg[IMG]
[img]http://img.carters.com.au/134770-tn.jpg

Armenia:-(Indigedous to the Caispian tiger an asiatic lion)<br>

The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east<br>
Scribner's Monthly, an Illustrated Magazine for the People - Google Books <br>

http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_04/08/0003/147355/147355_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg

<br>

Peru:-(Importations of all sub-speices of lions and tigers)<br>

lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928<br>

<br>

http://www.raden-saleh.org/enlionsandtigerfighting.jpg

<br>

British:-(Once had Cave lions later as early as King henry the first imported lions an tigers from around the world)

http://www.monstermedals.com/ekmps/shops/monstermedals/images/seringapatam-medal-1799-bronze-426-p.jpg

Germany:-(Once had lions on there boarder lines of Russian sythians of siberian tigers an asiatic lions)

http://www.artvalue.com/photos/auction/0/44/44618/slevogt-max-1868-1932-germany-kampf-zwischen-lowe-und-tiger-2088424.jpg

North Africa:-(Indidgedous to African lions joining in parts to India of where lions and tigers territorys overlapped)

http://www.huma3.com/repository/reviews/afterdelacroix.jpg

China:-(Indidegous to the Asian tiger, Afghanistan sent lions to Chinese emperors as gifts in order to get the right to trade with Silk Road merchants. (205 B.C. to 220 A.D in China) and during the Tang Dynasty (716-907 A.D.))

Lion fighting a nian who the tiger couldent.

A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."
~Peoples Daily Online

http://www.christies.com/lotfinderimages/d19958/d1995873r.jpg

http://www.signature-antiquite.com/content/product_2823291b.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8971/dbbronzelion1ky1.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7280/bronzelion1bb1.jpg

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af316/NIHONTOAUSTRALIA/EBAY%2003%2009%202011/DSC09790.jpg

America:-(Only importations)

http://movieart.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/full-darkestafrica-1sh.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61pwwRAdwJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lostjunglelobby.JPG

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200_tp.jpg

London:-(Once had European lions later just Importations has had Kings pitted lions an tigers for Royalty)

http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/rb_fight.jpg

http://www.wildabouttheworld.com/gallery/data//519/medium/LM00831lion-tiger.jpg

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/wgm/large/mer_wgm_2867_large.jpg

Russia:-(Indigedous to the Siberian tiger once had asiatic lions in the south east reigons of Russia)

http://s017.radikal.ru/i412/1111/d4/d0f7f24c0398.jpg

Clearly there’s no animal more used in heraldry than the lion. The GEO (famous german science magazine) has examined which animal is used how many times in heraldry for each continent (in general). These were the results (Black=big cats): Showing lions are used in every continent while tigers only 2.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/LweinderSymbolik.png

Now the thing is, do you have your own Opinion? Of course, thats the Beauty of it. You can belive it or not…what wont change is factual data, but you can always have your own opinion no matter what, if I belived in Jackjacksonj site, an have belived in 330 bullcrap lies, faked data an repeated accounts then I would have thought the tiger won more an the tiger killed the lion more, an the tiger is the superior animal, but did I? No, I used my own comprehending skills an noticed they were all edited to support a Bias opinion, which I (Proved with Proof) so I merely retaliated an did a —>little…research of my own, an what you see before you was what came out of my own opinion, which has turned into solid data…but is it all my personal opinion? Nope, its just the data, I want to share for educational purposes, it seems like alot but really its 1/10th shorter than reading a 10 page book, which dosent some books have like 400-600 pages? I rest my case, an again as I said it dident take all that long to put together, its not so much the time, its the determination an the purpose, what I was fueld by was an awesome divine conjunction of…--------> Libra