Missed edit window: i realize you attributed any man not being attracted to Serena as coming from a place of being intimidated and emasculated by a woman being stronger and tougher than them. No. Just no. I love me a tough woman. That toughness need not be manifest in 225lb bench press and the ability to perform kegel squeezes that can pinch a man’s dick off. Like it or not, we are conditioned to sexually value physically feminine traits in women and physically masculine traits in men (although to be fair, as far as what is a masculine attribute is less purely physical in nature with men). And obviously im talking about rigid heterosexual norms (as I assume you were). Just as most men dont find women as unshaven as themselves as being all that physically attractive, they dont find women as aggressively muscular and imposing as themselves to be all that attractive. Of course there are exceptions to this, even numerous exceptions. But basically it boils down to not wanting to be reminded of another man. Because nothing is anathema to sexual arousal to the stauchly heterosexual male than deh gaay sex.
If every able bodied person responded with a #notallablebodied post instead of listening to the issues you raised, I would be just as horrified and just as verbal about it.
So you agree with me about Serena Williams then, she’s just too powerful looking for some men.
You are an insidious type of troll, which is a compliment-of-sorts. First off, you’re not dumb,. So you know when to insert an intelligent post every once in a while, in order to give your nature here as a poster plausible deniability (tissue-thin as it may be). But come on man, to be frank, you expose why you’re really here just from your silly, childish “potty mouth” recitations. What fucking adult says that shit to a person over the age of six? Well the answer is either an “adult” who has the mental faculties of a six year old or an adult who is trolling online. And I already acknowledged that you weren’t dumb.
Ha! Clever quip, even if it is still based on a bizarre and inaccurate interpretation of what I said.
You’re doing it again. If any “wrong” can be dismissed because something else is worse, we can dismiss any complaint that is not about, I dunno, child rape/torture/murder on a genocidal scale.
Bullshit it’s not. Among social animals? You are wrong as wrong can be.
I said “over the millennia”, but even if we limit it to modern times: Muslims in Pakistan, Hindus in India, Han Chinese, Sunnis or Shiites as the case may be in the Middle East.
Huh, de gustibis. Personally, I have always thought Serena was physically attractive and Venus physically unattractive, even though I have come to see Serena as a really bad person and Venus as fairly nice.
Reality isn’t binary. I didn’t even give a potty mouth that time. You can’t fish for them!
I just find it interesting that someone hitting urban dictionary and howtocurselikeasailor.com for a Pit post that is 92.26262% profanity and 0.000101.1% coherence won’t bother a soul. It’d be awfully tiresome to see a Pit post with x,y,z structure being responded to in kind back and forth over and over.
But this thread shouldn’t be about my writing “style.” It should be about the hypocrisy of collective guilt and action based upon that. That’s what triggered dibble because it undermines the narrative that fuels his obsession. Huey is smart enough to recognize it and just not care.
Then it should be consistent across the board, correct? If your theory holds true, then people of color should have reduced rates in all medical diagnoses compared to white folks.
Now see, this is an seemingly intelligent (if highly debatable) contribution that I see as merely glib. Or would you prefer I interpret it as ignorant? Collective guilt being the necessary precursor for collective responsibility which is the impetus for repairing social inequities, is far from hypocritical. It is painted as hypocritical only by those who have an interest in maintaining status quo. Would you care to elaborate on why you believe in such hypocrisy? Are you of the belief that such “collective reasoning” is actually a tool of a cynical government for social control? And that government itself is the biggest perpetrator of actions that it then advocates collective guilt for?
But how else do you connect the individual to the societal injustices to which they have no direct experience? And without that connection somehow being forged, how do you envision societies progressing, advancing and bettering the lives of all it’s people? People must feel as though they are a part of a bigger whole. If you feel like a part of something bigger, you in turn feel a share of emotional turmoil for the collective failures of that larger whole. And that emotional turmoil, guilt, motivates the individual to act in concert with other individuals to create a much larger body that can ultimately work to repair those collective failures.
It’s one problem I see with modern day America: there is so much disconnect and isolation between different sub-cultures and individuals, there is little compelling us to forge a connection to the greater human network of which we are a part. Our political reality only serves to exacerbate this disconnect and division. We need to nurture collective responsibility now more than ever. Not disparage it.
Today we learned that the Oklahoma Police Department hired a Nazi -Bart Alsbrook- who was fired from his previous job because of his racism. The police chief, Christopher Watson, hired his racist ass anyway. I’ll repeat that. The police chief knew of Alsbrook’s past and hired him anyway. “In the two years that I have known him, he has done nothing but contribute,” said Watson. “Everyone has a past, some of which they may not be proud of, of which he is not. He wishes he never had those connections.” This is the epitome of intention over impact and showcases, yet again, how white folks are bereft of cognitive empathy. This police chief is clueless to how this hiring decision affect the people of color who work in that department and the people of color who live in that community. White people have no empathy for anyone except for people who look like them or their friends or family. It reminds me of that Senator from Ohio (I think it was Ohio) who was anti-gay but after his son came out to him, he decided to hold a press conference and proceeded to out his son before telling the world that he has turned a new leaf and is now a defender of of gay rights. This is typical white behavior. Only showing compassion and empathy when it’s at your doorstep. You shouldn’t have to see someone in pain before you can empathize with them. I don’t know any transgender people or have any gay friends personally but I show compassion toward them.
Dude, speak for yourself. This might all apply to you, and that’s fine, but it doesn’t apply to men as a group. I find Serena sexy as hell and it’s not because I’m attracted to “masculine” traits in women.
Collective responsibility as stakeholders in democratic government (which actually means wealthy nonwhites share the responsibility as well) is different from collective guilt among one ethnic group, regardless of their personal participation in wrongdoing.
No, because one of the cites said essentially that black folks are less likely to sweat it if their children are delayed in speech or are showing repetitive behaviors. But if their kids are coughing a lot, having trouble walking or seeing, etc., they may well be more likely to take them to the doctor.
ETA: Huey cites a police chief in Oklahoma, arguably the shittiest state of all 50, as a proxy for all white people. That’s bullshit. How about my Minnesota friend who is the director of a battered women’s shelter? She’s white. How does she fit into your anecdata?
I got that - but I limited my own question since whiteness is itself a modern era construct.
Errm, are you sure you know what “hegemon” means? Han Chinese are maybe the only what that sort-of fits, there
stupid browser - “the only one that sort-of fits”
Not only have I never heard of it, I can’t find any mention of “Rule of Three” being used in that way. Out of curiosity, do you have a cite?
He may not, but I’ve been one my whole life, and trust me, it’s no picnic. And even when it is, it’s all baloney and mayonnaise on white bread.
Why do you even respond that racist, insipid drivel?
And yet here you are, anyway, responding. :dubious:
Are you saying I’m lying about South African Blacks not being slavers? Or about not having Black ancestry?
I know it’s not about the certifiable stupidity, that must be self-evident even to as self-awareness-lacking an idiot as you
Awareness of existence isn’t expertise. I’m no expert. Not like your Mom.
It’s aWicca thing
Why do you say that? Pakistan and India are nuclear powers!
If we just include the Indian subcontinent and China, that’s a third of the world’s population, and roughtly half of its nonwhite population.
That’s not what hegemony means. Which other states do Pakistan and India exercise hegemony over? None.
Oh it’s way worse than that. Quite often they don’t get a diagnosis at all:
“African Americans are more likely to die at early ages from all causes…They’re also more likely to report that they can’t afford medical care.”
Funnily enough no medical care means far less likelihood of getting a diagnosis, and the whole lower life expectancy thing. Take heart though, that article does show some good news:
“African Americans have made significant gains in life expectancy, and the mortality gap between white and black Americans has been cut in half since 1999, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Tuesday.”
So equality has still to be achieved, but it’s getting better, and strangely enough as access to healthcare improves for black Americans the levels of diagnosed autism rises. Weill, either that or according to your theory there’s been a massive increase in African American incest over the last few years. Not sure you want to push that line, really.
No, I am going to stand by my position that people venting on a message board is not only objectively less bad than raping babies and genocide, I will double down and say compared to genocide, or even centuries of abuse and abuse of power, saying mean things about people in power isn’t even on the scale.
And, believe it or not, many people, even people from privileged classes, can handle being disliked; I think the kids call it “adulting” these days.
It will not surprise you to know that no, not all men, not even all heterosexual men, would agree with you, but I’m glad you and Huey have found common ground. You should build on that.
The appropriate response to this is not #notallwhitepeople. The appropriate response is “holy fuck, how does this kind of thing still happen?” or “You know Slate is pretty slanted - do you have another cite?”. You don’t immediately post about how Huey is victimizing all white people, proving his point.
Every time Huey makes some insulting broad generalization about white people, the next three posts prove him right.
Thank you. (Where am I that people do not know this? I went through a wormhole, back about a century, didn’t I?)