[QUOTE=Eleusis]
It’s WRONG, and against FREEDOM.
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Hey, Loach, you hear that? Goddamned traitor, why do you hate America?
Hello. Lawyer here.
Although I no longer practice law, when I did, I was a defense attorney - in fact, I was a public defender.
In my experience, it was rare to find cops simply making things up. Don’t get me wrong – it happened. But as a general rule, the cops I encountered would relate events as they happened.
Furthermore, it was usually pretty obvious when a cop lied, and there would be consequences. Not immediate, career-ending consequences, I grant you. But judges would recognize that a particular police officer’s stories would be too pat, too perfect… and although they would seldom if ever explicitly resolve the credibility question against the officer, they would make all sorts of other fine, hairsplitting distinctions to avoid punishing the accused for the lie. Other cops, too, would never out-and-out contradict their lying brethern, but there would be a spate of “I was unable to observe exactly what Officer Liar did,” and “I was unable to hear exactly what the suspect said to my partner…”
So as a general rule, if a cop testified as Loach laid out in his hypothetical, and all other things being equal, I would be inclined to believe that’s the way it happened.
And I’m a former defense attorney.
[Quote=Eleusis]
Did I once, anywhere, say it wasn’t legal?
I said it wasn’t fucking RIGHT.
I don’t CARE if it’s hypothetical (though I doubt it, given his attitude).
It’s WRONG, and against FREEDOM.
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Eleusis sounds just like my first husband did after he got busted for stealing T-Tops the first time. Somebody just got a ticket/got busted for something…
[QUOTE=Loach]
I don’t have my books with me and as I have mentioned it’s not one I look up regularly. It’s somewhere in the equipment statutes, 39:3-something (39:3-74, 39:3-75?). The only violation that can not be used as a primary stop is the cell phone law. There must be another reason for the stop. If the ticket is actually written it is something like a $44 fine and no points. Until Trenton decides there is no other way to balance the budget.
Well off to the doctor. Thank you all for a very satisfactory Pitting. I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitresses.
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Thanks, I have to get it fixed this month anyway, inspection time. I hope your daughter feels better soon.
Eleusis: I take it that you cannot show where **Loach ** was bragging about the pull over. Perhaps you should ratchet back your vitriol and try an apology. They work wonders.
For what it is worth, I tend to get nervous around Police also and I am never holding. I am also uber-polite to Police officers. Just seems like a good idea.
Jim
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
I’m pitting his piss poor ATTITUDE, as a piss poor COP, thinking it’s cool to pull people over and search them for practically nothing.
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Show me where he said it was cool.
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
Did I once, anywhere, say it wasn’t legal?
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[QUOTE=Eleusis]
Finding a gun later does not make the initial search legal.
A cracked windshield does not make the driver a criminal.
Being a cop does not make you right and/or cool.
You seem to think that “patting down” a “perp” who had a cracked windshield is “legal”.
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Well, one of your personalities did, anyway. Time to adjust the meds? Do you know Tyler Durden?
No, wait wait wait . . . here. . . pass me that. . . . (gurgle gurgle gurgle) I’ve got a good one . . . You can claim that you only implied that it wasn’t legal–that’s not the same as *saying * it’s illegal. And anyway, you typed it–and how do we know it was really *you * anyway?
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
Thank you, Pravnik. At least one person can read.
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Not you, though.
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
I might be an asshole…
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There is no might about it. Calling you an asshole is an insult to asshole’s everywhere.
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso]
Yeah, coke spoons.
Eleusis, get a grip. Those five turds you dropped in GQ oughtta get you bounced permanently, but the bleedin’-heart mods will probably only suspend you. Fuck off back to MPSIMS, you’ve got no business here.
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Hey come on, we don’t want him over there! Why are you foisting him off on us?
Gfactor, you finally got Pitted and it was in someone else’s Pit thread. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Gfactor]
And anyway, you typed it–
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ex-actly! he typed it, he didn’t say it. D’uh.
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
Fuck you too, moderator.
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Gosh, I’ve never heard that one before.
Keep in mind, Eleusis routinely posts drunk and it’s usually something along these lines. I’m beginning to wonder if he has a drinking problem.
[QUOTE=wring]
ex-actly! he typed it, he didn’t say it. D’uh.
[/QUOTE]
Nevertheless, I bet he moves his lips when he types.
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
You’re now responsible for the stupidest fucking thread in the history of the Straight Dope Message Board.
That’s an honor.
[/QUOTE]
You awarded that prize to Xan on 9/10. He didn’t hold the honor for very long.
[QUOTE=Frank]
Gosh, I’ve never heard that one before.
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Filthy moderator! Why don’t you go moderate something, huh? Oooh, I’m so scared!
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
Did I once, anywhere, say it wasn’t legal?
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Post#4:
Post#11:
Post#18:
[QUOTE=Gfactor]
Nevertheless, I bet he moves his lips when he types.
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::peering at location, yea, that’s what I’d expect from Oakland County 
(grew up there, ya know - is Hunter House still there?)
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
Yeah, because an unpopular opinion, etc etc etc
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No, because GQ isn’t the place for your kind of tantrum. You’re an embarrassment.
You are an unintelligible idiot. What’s worse, you’re making me take the side of a cop. And I live in the Land of Cracked Windshields!
[QUOTE=Eleusis]
The latter, generally being nothing but an excuse for lowlife bigheads like loach to fuck with the populace for no reason, jerk them from the car, act all bigheaded, and search their pockets, QUITE AFUCKINGNOTHER.
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God damn, is this thread making you look dumb. That’s not even a sentence. And if it was, it would still be intolerably stupid.
Well, we know you are capable of recognizing words, since you got the “cracked windshield” and “pulled over and searched” bits out of the story, but you should pay attention to the way the words are put together to get their actual meaning. Because that’s nowhere near the correct interpretation of Loach’s story.
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso]
And I live in the Land of Cracked Windshields!
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:dubious:
Isn’t that a few miles down the road from the Village of Dragging Tailpipes?
I’ll tell you what I want to know: I want to know when I became a black person. I’ve been pulled over so many times it defies description. Once it was even because of a cracked windshield. According to our friend Eleusis here, I must be black, because it’s all profiling. Don’t believe me? here’s the quote:
So, how about that. Can I claim that on employment applications, or is it a fleeting thing?