To all but one.
If you put a bumper sticker on your car reading “I am not Eleusis!” that might help.
And I call BS on the whole “hypothetical” shit too.
He’s done it, he knows it, and most of you know it.
At those roadblocks, did you act in such a manner as Loach describes in his hypothetical?
Lie to yourself. Does it feel good?
Eleusis, you have fucking lost it.
LOACH HAS NOT PULLED ANYONE OVER FOR A CRACKED WINDSHIELD! HE NEVER CLAIMED TO!
Your willful ignorance in this matter is hard to comprehend, how many people have to point this out to you before you clean the saliva from your glasses and READ!
If there is an asshole in this thread, his face is reflected in your monitor.
I kept my hands on the wheel and said “sir”.
Fuck you too, moderator.
Stay down, Luke!
[/George Kennedy]
Can you bend spoons with your mind as well?
It seems Yuri has some competition.
Well, there is room for arguing that the law gives police too much leeway in circumstances like this, and that the definition of “reasonable articulable suspicion” is so broad as to allow cops to conduct a body pat-down pretty much whenever they want. Terms like “he was nervous” can’t really be confirmed or denied later, and provide police with the fig leaf they need for conducting a Terry frisk of just about anyone.
Also, as Bricker recently informed me in another thread, while a Terry search’s purpose is to allow the cop to secure his own safety by checking for weapons, if the cop, in the process of patting the person down, feels anything that his experience tells him is illegal (e.g., a crack pipe) then he is allowed to use that as the basis for arrest.
I’m not sure how i feel about that, personally. While i think the idea of a Terry search is a good idea, one that has probably saved the lives of police and civilians, i think that the scope of the search should be restricted to weapons only, otherwise the Terry search merely becomes a pretext for an actual search.
Of course, if you don’t keep your dope (or whatever) in your pocket, but in your glove compartment or under your seat, it won’t get found in a Terry frisk.
But dude, i think it’s time for you to let this thread go for a while. Like you, i get steamed up when cops abuse their authority. I’ve complained about it in a few recent threads. But i really don’t think the situation you’re describing qualifies as such an instance.
Eleusis, I’m a defense attorney and I like nothing better than catching a cop in an illegal search. I usually start drooling a little bit, and I sometimes get a boner. The facts of Loach’s hypothetical just don’t amount to an illegal search.
He pulled the guy over for a traffic violation. A cracked windshield isn’t a traffic violation around here, to my knowledge, but if it’s a violation there he’s well within his rights to pull him over. Heck, let’s change the hypo and say he followed the guy around for a few blocks until he made a turn without signaling because he was suspicious as to why two young black teenagers were driving a brand new SUV with temporary tags in an area known for drug activity and he just wanted to get a closer look. Still perfectly legal; Whren v. U.S., 517 U.S. 806 (1996).
Once he had the guy pulled over, he acted nervous and behaved in such a way that made the officer reasonably believe a frisk was necessary for his safety. This is not a search for drugs or evidence, this is a pat down for weapons to make sure the officer is not in any danger. It’s legal for him to do so; Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 1968. If he feels a small object that might be a crack rock, he can’t poke and squeeze it to investigate further, because he’s supposed to be searching for a weapon for his own safety; Minnesota v. Dickerson, 508 U.S. 366 (1993). If he feels a gun it’s a different story.
You may not agree with Loach’s hypo, but that’s not his fault. If you have a beef it’s with the Supreme Court.
Whatever drug you’re on, you need to stop.
Or if you’ve got prescription meds you need to be taking but haven’t been, then you need to start.
You seem to have made up a fairy tale about Loach that appears solely within your own head. You keep referring back to it, but since none of the rest of us know just what Loach did to you in that fairy world, what you post sounds like complete gibberish. At least, that’s what it looks like to me.
You need to accept that none of what you perceive as Loach’s “asshole behavior” ever actually happened and step away from the computer. If you’re seeing a psychiatrist, you might direct him or her to this thread, maybe they can help you through this troubling time you seem to be going through.
He condones it, you fucking bitch.
I don’t, you fucking bitch. (I know that’s a male name, but you’re still a bitch for piling on)
My “willful ignorance” is just about equal to everybody in this goddamn thread, considering that nobody has even listened to my FUCKING point about GETTING FUCKING PULLED OVER FOR A FUCKING CRACKED FUCKING WINDSHIELD AND FUCK JERKED OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND FUCKING SEARCHED.
FUCK YOU.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy. My first quasi-pitting by imputation. Allow me to retort:
- It’s prosecutor.
- Never been one. Don’t think the job would be a good fit for me. I’ve met my share, though. Nice folks mostly. And I’ve handled my share of criminal cases–every one for the defense.
- Just for good measure, please fuck yourself with a stuffed penguin.
- You get an E in criminal procedure.
I take it the bad cops found your weapons?
I don’t have my books with me and as I have mentioned it’s not one I look up regularly. It’s somewhere in the equipment statutes, 39:3-something (39:3-74, 39:3-75?). The only violation that can not be used as a primary stop is the cell phone law. There must be another reason for the stop. If the ticket is actually written it is something like a $44 fine and no points. Until Trenton decides there is no other way to balance the budget.
Well off to the doctor. Thank you all for a very satisfactory Pitting. I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitresses.
Thank you, Pravnik. At least one person can read.
Did I once, anywhere, say it wasn’t legal?
I said it wasn’t fucking RIGHT.
I don’t CARE if it’s hypothetical (though I doubt it, given his attitude).
It’s WRONG, and against FREEDOM.
Yeah, coke spoons.
Eleusis, get a grip. Those five turds you dropped in GQ oughtta get you bounced permanently, but the bleedin’-heart mods will probably only suspend you. Fuck off back to MPSIMS, you’ve got no business here.
I’m pitting his piss poor ATTITUDE, as a piss poor COP, thinking it’s cool to pull people over and search them for practically nothing.
Is this some strange new practice combining elements of intercourse and masturbation, or does it describe being pulled out of a car for acting like a fucking weirdo?
Yeah, because an unpopular opinion, etc etc etc
Doubt it, but hell, let’s see.
I have no business in the pit. Wowzers. FOBTMPS reminds me of somewhere.