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This is precisely what he’s talking about. The insults aren’t helping your case.
Heterosexually challenged?
They’re members of a party that has a segment of people who think that gays are suffering from a disease or that they’re dangerous deviants. That group of people have been able to control the Republican position on gay rights because it’s something they care passionately about, and because the rest of the Republican party doesn’t particularly care much one way or the other, and is willing to humor them in exchange for votes.
The Republican party can take anti-gay positions because it won’t hurt them, because of the perception that gays and people who are pro-gay rights won’t vote for them anyway. The Republican position on gay rights won’t change unless and until taking anti-gay positions hurts them, and that won’t happen so long as gay people and gay friendly people kneejerk vote for Democrats.
I think this is actually the key point. I imagine that the LCRs actually disagree with a lot of the social agenda of the Republican party, but there’s plenty more involved with the Republican platform besides their social agenda.
I personally don’t have a stake in LBGT issues, but I am a Libertarian, and I don’t really feel like I can vote for either party. I’m closer to Democrats on social issues (particularly the ones we’re discussing here), but I generally disagree with them on pretty much everything else. For the Republicans, I’m closer (though not by any means in agreement with) their economic policies and other issues like gun rights and such, but disagree with a lot of the rest of things.
IOW, I can either choose to vote third party or pick the party I disagree with less. I don’t think it’s a whole lot different for them except they have more of a personal connection with one of the key issues that seperates the two parties. While a lot of people tend to vote on issues that are personally relevant, just like the LBGT community tends to vote Democratic, Christians tend to vote Republican, simply because they weigh the issues that are most personally relevant over the general issues.
As such, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that there are a few people who simply don’t care whether gay marriage is legal or not, even if they are gay, because they agree with 90% of the rest of the platform that the Republicans represent. I’ve met people like this before. They’re Christian (though I didn’t ask what denomination, though that might be just as, if not more, interesting), they are more free market/pro-business, they support gun rights, they support small government, and they’re gay.
I really don’t see how that’s that much different from any number of other people who are 90% in agreement with one party but one issue. So what if a lot of the Republicans think that homosexuals are diseased. Yeah, it’s a terrible thing to think, but you can’t discredit an idea because by virtue of those who believe in it. It’s really not a whole lot different than, say, how many democrats this all gun owners are gun nuts who like to kill helpless animals and murder people, and yet there are plenty of pro-gun democrats.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why those who march in lock step with the majority of their community have this holier than thou attitude toward those who have different priorities. Apparently, the issues that carry the greatest import to you are…
- Same Sex Marriage
No matter how you slice it, both candidates officially oppose gay marriage. The stodgy old fucker, McCain, tows his party’s line. Obama uses weasel words and supports a second class designation known as civil unions. He apparently has his finger on the pulse of his party - 'cuz if Democrats across the nation placed SSM as far up the list as the GLBT community does, they would’ve nominated Kucinich.
In the grand scheme of life, the entire issue is a smokescreen. For starters, individual states write marriage laws. It really doesn’t matter what position a Presidential candidate has on a specific amendment to the Constitution. Without anything nearing a 2/3 majority in both the Congress and state legislatures, DoMA or FMA will never pass.
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Gay enlistment in the Armed Services
When Clinton, who some refer to as the best Republican President in the past 20 years, approved the measure a decade and a half ago, he counseled his generals and came up with the Don’t Ask - Don’t Tell compromise. Sorry, you can’t fault a Commander in Chief for refusing to dictate fairer (but more unworkable) policies onto those who are assigned the duty of carrying them out. -
Palin’s church says “you can pray the gay away”
And? McCain’s a Southern Baptist. Biden’s a Roman Catholic. Obama’s congregation was headed by his raving loon of a mentor. Your selective culling of inane doctrines spewed in all 4 cases doesn’t carry much holy water.
Well, you’re half-right. There have gotta be at least a few of those self-hating, LCR butt pirates who are don’t like O’s…
- Proposed tax changes on both income and investment,
- Plan to convert the ponzi scheme known as Social Security into a welfare program,
- Insistence on rewarding failure with even more failed progressive policies,
- UN General Assembly cocksucking & naive security policies,
- Free pass to trial lawyers
- Protectionist trade policies
- Regressive corporate taxation
- Desire to regulate everything that breathes
- Ignorance on energy policy
- etc., etc., etc.
So much for diversity, huh. They hold different priorities - hence they’re morons. How could they be so blind? Imagine passing up the opportunity to feel both validation and self-respect from a professional politician just because they deem other issues important. Stupid, fucking faggots.
This is a joke, right? Those are all issues on which McCain’s policies have already been tried and failed miserably.
I always assumed that the Log Cabin Republicans couldn’t give a shit about gay rights, but existed only to provide a fig leaf to the toe tappers. LCR is kinda like Jews for Eichmann
First, given the collapse of the financial markets precisely due to the GOP-led repeal of regulations that would have prevented the subprime mortgage crisis, we need more regulation, not less. The rest of your list is so vague as to be meaningless (A free pass to trail lawyers? WTF does that mean?)
However, there is a deeper problem with the LCR in that they are willing to peddle their dignity and self-respect for a few crumbs form the GOP’s table. Like Esau, they have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage.
And they don’t even get the pottage.
Or if you prefer the New Testament, “What doth it profit a man if he gain a 10% tax break, and lose his soul?”
I think souls are tax-deductible.
I figure that when the camps get set up, they’ll be top of the list for trustee.
I think you’re required to amortize them over 10 years.
Welcome back!
Of course, the LCR forgot that the kapos were gassed, too. Someone should tell that wearing a pink triangle isn’t not just konzentrationlager couture
I feel like Dolly Levi sweeping into the Harmonia Garden!
The juxtaposition of you and Dolly reminds me of a particular Blackadder scene…
Should I be sitting on your lap or you on mine?
And I guess I’m the “lose some weight, Sampi…”.
Another welcome back.
We can agree to disagree, but when you disagree with the Republican Party on only one major issue, but WHEN THAT ONE ISSUE IS WHETHER YOU ARE ABLE TO LEGITIMIZE YOUR UNION OR ENTITLED TO NON-DISCRIMINATION COVERAGE, it’s a pretty damned important issue. Without freedom from otj discrimination or equality within the law, the rest is worthless.
I totally agree about Clinton, incidentally: why some gays give him a pass is beyond me. He signed the two worst pieces of legislation against gays in the past generation; it was betrayal. But his party never tried to amend the Constitution, and [for all the fat lot of good it did] even he referred to DADT as “dumbass” and his biggest mistake. McCain thinks it’s peachy keen; much better to let illegal aliens who barely speak English join the military than let qualified Arabic interpreters remain in the military.
As for Obama, frankly his position pisses me as well, but it’s a political expedience. He at least supports non-discrimination. He at least acknowledges gays and lesbians exist on his website other than in quoted articles slamming them.
I’ve no respect for the LCR. They allign themselves with those who would see them fired from their jobs, never allowed to marry, and shoved back into closets. This is not to say all Republicans are like this or that all Democrats are gay friendly, but the most liberal Republican would not deny that the majority of true homophobes are in their party and that no Republican president or Congress is ever likely to be “progressive” on the issue.
Gobear! Great to see you back! Unfortunately, I’m still married and straight. Sorry.
Unfortunately, I have to take issue with your post. #1 is bunk, but off topic so I’ll skip it. #2 I just don’ understand at all. Does someone’s sexual orientation have to be the overriding factor in their self image and/or decision making? Why is what Captain Amazing and JohnBckWLD said so outrageous that a gay person who feels that way is losing their soul, birthright, dignity and self respect? They feel differently than you do on the importance of various issues, and what you think is most important isn’t what they think. That doesn’t mean that they lack self respect, or dignity or anything else. The godfathers of my youngest son are avid McCain supporters, and they are also the most dignified gay couple I know. Both of them have oodles of self respect. Who left it up to you to determine how another person should feel and vote to such an extent that a person who shares your orientation but not your priorities has “sold their soul”? 
As has been pointed out, it is the official position of the GOP that gay people are vermin, that gay people can be fired from their jobs or evicted from their apartments for their orientation, that they deserve to lose the custody of their children or be forbidden to adopt because of who they love.
It is logically inconsistent for a gay person to have “oodles of self-respect” when he makes common cause with people who believe him to be a subhuman pervert.