Long Island Medium

I think some people are seeing this in the wrong direction. Why would these charlatans need to submit to Randi’s challenge? The more notable ones can make plenty of money on their own; they don’t need the million dollars to catapult themselves into fame.

In the same token, I don’t think them failing Randi’s challenge would sway any True Believers anyway. Manipulating people through their grief is not hard. Many people, after going though a bad break up, the loss of a loved one, etc are not in a fully rational state of mind. They often lack some kind of closure- maybe they wished the relationship they had went differently, maybe there was something they always wanted to say to the person but they can’t because they’re dead. It seems like to be a ‘successful’ medium like the Long Island medium you only need the following things:

1.) Communities where families are generally close-knit. People in big, close, generally loving families often have the hardest time dealing with the loss of a loved one. These communities and/or cultures will have a ‘mark’ that probably spent a significant portion of their life in close contact with their relative before they died. Other communities/cultures may be less tight knit, people moving away from their families or simply not placing as much value as having a big close knit family. A rube from a big, traditional, close knit family is going to be much less used to being ‘away’ from a loved family member, and desperate to ‘hear’ that they are okay/any lasting advice.

2.) Communities and cultures that are more supersticious are (obviously) more susceptible to fortune telling. Maybe they believe a ton of other woo, maybe they are just really into things that are ‘good’ luck and ‘bad’ luck. They’re often, but not always, recent immigrants from a poorer and more agrarian country than say the US.

3.) Very mild ‘skeptics’ you can convince. Long Island Medium pulls this- one of her “clients” will have a “skeptical friend” who the medium will conveniently blow away. The person isn’t skeptical at all; maybe they’re unsure or not confident enough to take a stance either way. When the medium does her schtick, the person then feels pressured to go along with it. Look at people who are convinced they are abducted by aliens- maybe someone had a memory lapse and is trying to understand what happened. They are in a room full of people who are convinced they were abducted by aliens, and it was so horrible, etc. That unsure person will probably go along with that collective belief, perhaps out of pressure and self-doubt. People are afraid of getting ostracized, even if they end up being the only ‘correct’ person in the room. Sometimes its easier for them to just play along.

My wife’s culture is a little of 1 and 2. Funerals are huge drawn out affairs for them, people mourn for a long time, and there are many supersticions about death/afterlife. It comes as no surprise that fortune-telling and mediums are popular in immigrant communities. These were communities of people who very rarely had an opportunty to go to college (my wife was the first to go, and to graduate, and she is in a BIG family) mostly farmed, and had a lot of struggles and misfortunes that were not easily explained. "Beto and Ernesto both got that strange fever at the same age, but Beto got better and Ernesto died 3 days later. Why? Wait, wasn’t there a white owl perched on the fence outside when Ernesto got sick? Hmmm :dubious: "

Body builders wear extra mediums to show off their “guns.”

I don’t call it the Million Dollar Challenge-it is called the Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. You really should refer back to the information provided in this link before talking about it and save us all a lot of time correcting your mistakes.

Here’s a prediction: When Teresa Caputo dies, someone will make money (although probably not from her family) “talking” to her spirit.:slight_smile:

Indeed. Randi’s losers always seem to make up some kind of hair-brainy excuse.

My favorite has always been “Bad Atheist Vibes!!”

You’re the one who called it MDC in post #74, which I questioned ‘what does that mean?’, so you have caused me time yet you accuse me of that instead . I think I could apply a smiley here but won’t. But I do think the error was yours, not mine.

You coming up with incomplete undefinable initials and assuming that everyone (especially me who your post was in reply to) will understand is as grievous a error as anything you have ever accused me of.
Also very aside, separate relevant issue (what I compare of the US war on Germany and Japan - yes same war but totally different arenas). It is very telling that Randi’s name is in that web address you cite, making the term I used ‘Randi’s challenge’ (for the glory of Randi) a very appropriate and easily identifiable name.

Let me know when you have something of substance to say about either the Challenge or James Randi.

I’ll let you know once you apologize for using ‘MDC’ and they later admit that is is at best and at a stretch it may be implied as the MDPC while accusing me of wasting time on the terms that I use :rolleyes: (yes I used the rolleyes)

I made my case against Randi’s challenge very clearly, if you would like to debate as to why God needs to submit to Randi you are free to start another thread.

Sooo…Teresa Caputo…is working for God now?
Is this a contract position or is it piece work?
Did she apply for the job or was she recruited?
And while we are at it, there are pantheons of “Gods.”
For which ones does she work?

Dude. Pretty much anyone discussing Mr Randi is gonna know about the Million Dollar Challenge and figure out the TLA. (Ummm, TLA is a commonly used abbreviation meaning Three Letter Acronym)

Also, your new rolleyes makes it look like you’re flirting with Czar. In a pastel sorta way, no less.

You putting forth that she(and other fraudsters/woosters) are working on behalf of your deity is one hell of an argument…for atheism.

Did you bother to go to the website to see exactly what the Challenge is, how it is handled, and how a winner is determined?

Kanicbird, you might want to comment on the other thread I just started.

Speaking of which, Access Hollywood/ET/The Insider had a teaser the other day – “Long Island Medium’s struggle with her weight”. :rolleyes:

At one time I did, but long since forgot it.

As for the LI Medium, since it is Nexflixable I did watch some of her show. IMHO she does not see the dead directly, but has a very very good gifting of connecting other people - and also bypass the ‘defenses’ we normally have to protect us (even from ourselves), a connection that allows her to get at their ‘ghosts’. In scripturally speak she has the gift of a teacher (in this context teacher means one who lets others know what their gifting is). She is given what they (they = her clients for lack of a better word - even though that includes random run-in’s) should be able to do on their own. Her real gifting IMHO was made to teach the client what they are perceiving, but commonly taken as she is the one who has the power. That is what I personally consider a corruption of such a gift - and is deception.
I say that because looking at the show I recognize the pattern. But again this is just by looking at the TV show which introduces it’s own issues.

Have you considered not talking about it, or James Randi, until you re-familiarize yourself with it? Do you not think talking with knowledge is better than talking without knowledge…especially when said knowledge is at your fingertips?

You seem to reply often enough to reply to supernatural topics without knowledge. The pot calling the kettle black? Or in the words of Jesus

That does not answer my question. If you are going to speak of James Randi and/or the Challenge, do you not think it is better to speak with the knowledge that is at your fingertips rather than with vague suppositions?

When the topic is fraudulent woosters out to scam innocent people, I will pit my knowledge vs. your “knowledge” any day of the week.