Long Shot - Any members near Guthrie Library in Hanover, PA?

I’ll save the detailed explanation if by some miracle there is a SDMB poster who is near there. Short version: On 2 December, 1961, an advertisement was placed in the Evening Sun by my biological father with a rather awkward plea to find me a foster home. I’d like a copy of the ad, but the Evening Sun says their microfiche machine is broken, probably never to be fixed due to lack of funds, and suggests I visit the library.

(This comes up now because I found a letter from my mother giving the date that the advertisement ran, so I can narrow down the search a bit.)
ETA: I live in Jakarta, Indonesia, and infrequently make it to the US and never to Pennsylvania, so I can’t visit the library myself.

wow, I hope someone is there. But can’t you call the library?

I agree. I think if you call (or write to) the library and explain the situation, one of the people there may be able to do this for you (especially if you explain just how far you are from there).

Here is something which might be better:
The Hanover Area Historical Society
http://www.hahs.us/research.html

Your question is exactly the type of request which would appeal to them.

PS. Tell us if they are helpful.

Thanks - I guess that is a good idea. I will update this thread if anything comes of it (especially if the wording of the ad turns out to be as odd as I recall being told that it was.)

I can’t help you, but this reminds me of the confusingly similar products of Snyder’s of Hanover and Snyder of Berlin. Both companies make pretzels in Pennsylvania towns named after German cities. I think Snyder of Berlin pretzels come (or used to come) with a disclaimer on the package that says something to the effect of “Snyder of Berlin has no connection with Snyder’s of Hanover.” Years ago, this amused me but it was pre-internet days, so I never knew the connection. I just googled and apparently Snyder of Berlin was an offshoot of Snyder’s of Hanover, but the companies parted ways many years ago.

Sorry for the digression, now back to your more interesting dilemma.

Hey, I remember those pretzels! Or anyway I think I do: they were dry, crunchy pretzels, but large compared to “regular” pretzels - almost the size of a small soft pretzel. And they could be purchased in a big brown tin. Am I right?

I wouldn’t book on a library saving old copies of the local newspaper as it would take up too much space.

They don’t keep old copies, they microfilm them. Something youngins know nothing about! :smiley:

Anyway, can you give me more information? I have access through newspaper archive and can get you a copy if you want. I will look at that edition and let you know if I can find anything.

It seems I’ve spoken too soon, they do have copies of that newspaper, but not that many years. However, the same ad might be in a York county paper, it’s too bad I didn’t know about this a few weeks ago when I was there.

I live in Hanover, PA. I can help you.

For two reasons: 1) to cut down on the wear and tear on the paper copies; and 2) it takes less space. There are a libraries that keep paper copies as well, like the Swedish National Library, but patrons are only allowed to look at the films anyway.

However, smaller public libraries may not even have copies of microfilmed newspapers. It’s all a matter of space and demand.

This makes me happy. I love these boards!

Wow, the Dope is amazing! engineer_comp_geek, if you have a chance - at your leisure, of course, there is no rush - I’d be thrilled if you could review the Evening Sun classified ads of December 2, 1961 and see what you can find. (BTW I have e-mailed the historical society, but not gotten a response yet. It’s only been about 36 hours and they seem to operate on volunteer staff, so I won’t give up on them yet.) Also, thanks to Edward the Head for his offer, too.

Since it looks like something may actually come of this, here is the TLDR background on why I want the ad (some of it is hearsay and I doubt I’ll ever know the exact story):

In 1958, my birth mother became pregnant with me out of wedlock. She did not tell my birth father, but one of her friends did. He then pressured her into a marriage she didn’t want, apparently because he was abusive to her.

After I was born my birth mother was desperate for a divorce, but the only way my birth father would grant it is if she would relinquish custody of me to him, so she did. I then lived for the first three years of my life in and out of orphanages, foster homes, and with my birth father.

It must have been next to impossible for a single father in 1961 to care for a toddler, and eventually he placed an advertisement in the paper looking for a family to care for me. My adoptive parents responded, I went to live with them, and after keeping me a while they decided they wanted to adopt me. My birth father did not want to relinquish custody and my parents went to court to force him to do so. It was an acrimonious battle and my adoptive father even bought a gun in order to threaten my birth father.

My parents eventually managed to legally adopt me, and I grew up in their care, hearing stories about what a bastard/sociopath my birth father was. One of the epithets they used to describe him was that he was an “intellectual snob.” My parents often recounted, “He thought he was so intelligent and so exceptional – you know how we got him to give up custody of you? We deliberately tricked him by casually saying, ‘Ordinary people wouldn’t give up custody of CairoCarol in a situation like this, of course.’ He was desperate never to appear ordinary, and so when we said that, he immediately agreed that we could adopt you.”

As to the advertisement, I knew that it had been placed but I’m not sure if my parents ever showed me the physical copy. My father had apparently kept the clipping in his wallet, but about a decade ago his wallet was stolen. I “remember” – but surely this is a false memory – being told, as evidence of my birth father’s snobbery, that the ad said something like, “Homeless little girl needs someone to care for her. Intellectuals preferred.”

My father died in 2008 and my mother passed away a few months ago. When I was going through her papers, I found a neatly typed letter responding to the advertisement and noting the name of the paper and the date that the classified ad ran. That’s why I now know it was published on December 2, 1961 in the Evening Sun.

On the back of the letter in my mother’s handwriting, it says, “Show to CairoCarol in 1983.” I don’t know what she was thinking when she wrote that, but she never did share the letter with me. We were not especially close. She wasn’t the worst mother ever, but as one example of her parenting choices, she would occasionally accuse me of having sociopathic/arrogant tendencies like my birth father, and observe, “At least no one will blame your father and me if you turn out badly – you are adopted, so they will say it’s just ‘bad seed.’”

I’ve always wondered about that advertisement, and at last I can locate it without stirring up any trouble. Did it really call me a “homeless little girl”? More importantly, did it really say something like “intellectuals preferred”?

I’m betting “yes” to the first question and “no” to the second, but who knows?

And so, to the Dopers who actually read this far, that is why I want a copy of the advertisement. I will be happily share what it actually says.

Read that far…and am intrigued. I hope engineer_comp_geek (and therefor you!) finds something.

Your adoptive parents were lying to you through their teeth.

From the ad I am looking at, this was a man who loved you and wanted the best for you. I’m pm-ing you a copy.

Wow. I hope this brings you some of the missing information you need.

Thank you LurkerInNJ!

Here’s the text:

[QUOTE=Advertisement in the Evening Sun]
LOVING CARE for Motherless three
year old girl. Home with Cultural
interests a requisite. Feasibility of
permanency considered. Write box
“S-2” The Sun Office.
[/QUOTE]

That’s just so amazing, to see what the advertisement said. And given that it has been over 50 years since the advertisement was placed, plus I am operating on hearsay and memory, that is surprisingly close to what I thought it might say.

The SDMB is an amazing place. Thanks again.

The Dope is really amazing sometimes. With all the pettiness, the trolls, the attention-seekers, you can easily become disillusioned with the place. Then something neat like this happens.

Carol - Are you interested in trying to meet with your biological parents? I agree that the ad doesn’t sound too different than your parents’ recollection.

StG

Regarding my birth family - there is a LOONNNG story there which I won’t go into, except to say that I was contacted by a biological half sister (same mother, different father) more than 20 years ago, so I now know a few facts about the family. My biological mother passed away many years ago. I don’t know for sure about my biological father, but I was contacted (while my adoptive parents were still alive) by a half-sibling from my father’s side, saying that he had pancreatic cancer and would I like to be put in touch with him. I regretfully declined, because it would have driven my adoptive parents into a murderous rage had they ever found out. Publicly available records show that a person of the right name and age died in Allentown, PA (which I believe is where he was from) about 15 years ago, so I assume he has passed away as well.

I am good friends with the half-sister on my mother’s side, though don’t get me started on the stories of how my adoptive parents reacted to THAT!