Another example of the ill-effects that come from powerful unions.
When a union’s territory is so jealously guarded that non-union help is refused even under these circumstances, the union influence is not benign. It’s toxic.
Lets have some balance then, how about the ill effects from powerful employers?
How many of those will make a nice profit out of the misery of those who have pretty much lost everything they ever owned?
Unions are a response to the excesses of business, but in turn they can also abuse their own power.
So? Are all employers and all unions bad for us? Not at all and this is a supreme example of being selective to confirm a personal bias.
One union appears to be doing something pretty awful, its not a stick to beat t he remained of the organised labour movement about the head with - you are just using it as a pretext to put forward another agenda.
Is there any confirmation about this story? WAFF-TV seems to be the only source and they are located in Alabama. So far this is a story about someone in Alabama saying someone in NJ told him that someone else in NJ told him that non-union workers weren’t wanted there.
From theJersey Shore Hurricane News facebook page:
Vicious rumor, from people who want to believe ill of unions.
A quick search on google showed only a scattering of extreme conservative sites repeating the same WAFF-TV report.
No independent verification of anything.
No actual journalism.
Even if true, you have one reported instance of stupidity. Yet, thousands of utility workers from all over the country are deployed across the east coast helping in recovery efforts. This is proof of how bad unions are?
There is no debate here. Just uninformed partisan speculation and dick waggling.
Dude, I heard that Obama flew out over the Atlantic in Air Force One and apologized to the hurricane, WTF?!!
See, here is the thing. That story just sounds like something that should be suspect. It just sounds like a story that needs more evidence.
Before starting this thread, a few hours of “hmm, I wonder if the entire story is out, maybe I should hold off on posting until, you know, those things like facts, a corroborating source, or even a contradictory source, come forth” would have been a good idea.
Now here we are, 6 hours or so after your regurgitation of an unsubstantiated story, and there are still no sources other than WAFF’s sensational report.
Did a little digging, and found some other sources with comments on the situation:
Now, there’s a quote from the Joe Wheeler that clarifies what happened with them, in their company’s case.
As for the Decatur Utilities representative that had no comment for the Alabama article, he appeared on Fox Business News this morning, and his official story is a WEE bit different from what appeared in Bricker’s original article.
A few important points, transcribed:
“I did want to clarify, our crews were sent up there, and ended up the Virginia area, in a staging area, they never actually got to New Jersey town that we were headed to to support. We were presented with documents from IBEW that required our folks to affiliate with the union, and that was something that we could not agree to, and it was our understanding, affiliating, that that was a requirement for working in that area.”
(in response to the question by the host asking if they drove to Virginia and were handed the papers to sign before continuing to New Jersey): “It was not in person, we were dealing with those documents here, dealing with those officials directly from Alabama.”
That’s not exactly the picture created by “they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can’t do any work there since they’re not union employees.”
They never drove all the way to New Jersey only to be turned away. They were never told by the New Jersey town, “you’re not allowed to work here”, it appears they assumed that. They were handed the paperwork that they didn’t want to sign (and there’s no report of what that paperwork actually demanded) WHILE THEY WERE STILL IN ALABAMA. They didn’t have to drive up and waste time in Virginia, they did that part on their own.
Oh, and another quote from the first Alabama article I posted:
There is always another side to the story.
So once again we have the Right (in general) and **Bricker **(in specific) politicizing a disaster for their own goals? And once again they’ve misrepresented or exaggerated the situation? That about the long and short of it?
So apparently the story is that right-wingers refuse to help storm victims because they would be affiliated with a union.
Could a mod change the OP please?
When an anti-union TV station’s stance is so jealously guarded that it will fabricate, distort, and lie to the public even under these circumstances, the station’s influence is not benign. It is toxic.
Is this a debate or a Pitting? Are you coming back to elaborate or respond?
I can’t tell if this whole fiasco says more about unions, the right wing echo chamber, the spread of misinformation, or Bricker.
You should be embarrassed by lapping up misinformation like this and then re-spreading it so quickly. Just embarrassed.
Bricker needs to stick to what he is good at, and leave spreading baseless propaganda to professionals like Fox News.
He’s in “good” company. Limbaugh mentioned it on his radio show this afternoon – so you know how true it must be.
Am I mistaken, or isn’t Bricker the person who always insists that one must wait until ALL of the facts are in before making a judgement, that one should not depend on news reports for information because they’re so unreliable, and regularly scolds people for failing to meet his strict evidentiary requirements?
Huh. Imagine that.
Bricker, you just played the fish to this crummy bait of a story.
Don’t worry, he’ll be back any minute now.