Look For Your Union Label... Or not...

A post was made in the thread entitled “Walmart - Good or bad for America?” and it seemed to be a topic unto itself:

I was never a Union member in my life - I never even used an ATM at a Credit Union - however I wonder if this attitude is correct.

I think it can be allowed that Unions were once necessary to allow workers to attain basic standards that they were unable to recieve otherwise. However, are we truly past the days where we need Unions? Are they at best unnecessary and at worst actually hurting businesses and the workers they claim to protect? Or without Unions would the working man be marginalized in the same ways as in our past?

I have no dog in this fight, however I see some evidence that Unions do have a purpose with how businesses are so happy to ship things overseas these days. If big corporations are willing to go to the far-reaches of the globe to find people who will work at wages a 6th grade babysitter would scoff at and often in deplorable conditions, why wouldn’t they do the same here if they knew they could do so without regard to organizations that lopok after the rights of the employees? Without Unions, is the market itself strong enough to ensure that this doesn’t happen?

I have belonged to a sucky union that was useless. This was a place where the union had no power. Or at least didn’t care about junior members. This was a company where no one, from the most senior employee who wasn’t management on down, got their schedule more than one day in advance. The pay was barely above minimum wage. I frequently worked 12 hour days-- and lost count of how many times I had less than 5 hours turnaround between shifts.

In that case, the union did nothing but get in the way, take dues out of my pocket, and generally interfere with my work and the company’s.

I have worked, as a non-union member, in a unionized workplace. That was fairly amusing, since the union had way too much power. Let’s just say that staffing levels were extemely high. So high that frequently, union employees had nothing to do for 3 hours at a time, and so would stand around playing slugbug. Grown, middle-aged men, who were at work and not drunk at a BBQ, punching each other as hard as they could in the shoulder. Because there was no work for them to do, but they were paid for showing up. Sad.

I currently belong to a pretty damn good union, and as a student of organizational communications, I think there’s a fairly good give and take between management and employees. My shop steward may disagree, but that’s his prerogative :slight_smile: Suffice it to say that at my current workplace, pay levels are acceptable, the workload is challenging and enjoyable without being soul-crushingly heavy, and the benefits are pretty good.

Unions have been in decline for some years. I think somewhere around 12% of the American workforce is unionized, most of that is in government, and most union employees are nearing retirement age… Which pretty much means that most unions are just gearing up for that one last contract to put their members out to pasture. Which ain’t right.

Now unions have done a lot to improve the workforce for everyone in North America. In fact, you could argue that the bubble effect of unions has made life too good for everyone, including non-union types, so that no one really remembers how bad working used to be. (60 hour workweeks the norm? No vacation days? No sick pay? <shudder> )

But take a look at the subtle factors of the workplace and people’s standard of living. Personal savings are at an all-time low, personal loans and credit card debt are at an all-time high, and most families have two people working. That’s a lot of work to effectively maintain the status quo.

I think the question is: Are we at a tipping point? Are we on the verge of an American recession, with fewer jobs in the U.S? Krugman in the New York Times likes to argue that the U.S. has become a nation of real estate agents and Wal-mart clerks, and while we aren’t there yet, we certainly are heading in that direction… and that ain’t good.

As long as the average guy can put food on his table, beer in his fridge, gas in his car and watch the latest DVD on his TV at home, he feels that he’s doing all right. But when he can’t? That’s when we’ll see a resurgence of useful unions. They’ll need to be relabelled, and they’ll need to concentrate on white-collar workers instead of blue-collar. But unions can be useful.

We did this in August: Have unions outlived their usefulness?

I used to belong to the CWA. I took a promotion to management not so much for the promotion, more to get away from the union.

Whoever posted the quote in the OP doesn’t understand economics and the free market. Unions are every bit as much a part of the free market as corporations are. That’s why it’s call a “free” market. Problems arise in the free market when governments give too much power to either of those institutions.

The Robber Baron days were an example of when corporations had too much power. Corporate owners were much too cozy with politicians, and they could count on the poilice to break up any “trouble making” activities by union organizers. OTOH, when employees are required to join unions in certain industries, that allows the unions to become fat, dumb and happy-- and the union bosses to become corrupt.

So, no, unions have no outlived their usefulness, and I can’t imagine they ever will.

I agree that balance of power is the key, but I don’t think I’d blame it entirely on the gov’t. We have both strong and weak unions today, under the same government regulations. Market forces and negotiating skill can do plenty to throw the balance of power this way or that.

Yep. I agree completely.