Looking back at Obama's time as POTUS.

As we look forward with trepidation to four years of Trump as POTUS, let us look back with pleasure at Obama’s 8 years.

When he came into office in 2009, things were a mess. Since then he’s bagged Bin Laden, started America on the road to UHC, started and overseen a modest recovery, and not much else of consequence has happened at home. And that last bit is the important bit for me. He’s managed things well. The American economy hasn’t crumbled. People still trust the dollar. Boring, safe, unexciting, job well done.

That’s the view from across the pond. How about you?

Anything of consequence he did will be wiped out January 20th. It’s like he wasn’t even President. A president with no lasting legacy is not a good president. He tried, but he failed.

He’ll be remembered as a brief respite between the catastrophic presidencies Bush and Trump, and as the first black president. Aside from that, there was the ACA/Obamacare, which has no chance of surviving the next four years; taking out Bin Laden, which was great but not something that really makes it into the history books; financial reform, which is too wonkish to substantiate a legacy; and having a modest but sustained recovery after the apocalyptic crash of 2008, which I have little faith in Trump’s being able to sustain.

All in all, not a bad president, and a remarkable man personally, but one who will be consigned to the bin of mildly successful, unremarkable presidents. His legacy will be on the same order as those of the elder Bush and McKinley.

Also, he kept the sun rising in the east and setting in the west for 8 long years. Plus, he finally brought a world series championship to Chicago - something no president has managed to do since Teddy Roosevelt.

I’ve heard it said that “every President carries a large measure of responsibility for the next one.” Obama may not score a lot of points there.

Listening to people who voted for Trump, I note that dissatisfaction with the ACA seems to get a lot of mention. I have to believe that was not done well, and that this will be remembered.

To me his biggest accomplishment was getting the Dallas Cowboys to first place in the NFC, and the great thing is he did it without Tony Romo.

Maybe he will be looked at like he was the president that the US wasn’t ready for. Too soon maybe?

It was done as well as was possible in the circumstances of the existing shambles of a health care system. Obama is philosophically in favor of single-payer UHC. He said this in the early days of his political career – which Republicans tried to use against him as if he was some kind of communist sympathizer – and he said it again in a recent interview with Bill Maher as he himself reflected on his legacy. But as he said, this would have been his preference if starting from scratch, but there was no opportunity to start from scratch, so he did what was politically possible.

Depending on how a Trump presidency shakes out, Obama’s most historically notable effect on America may be the deterioration of race relations.

Perhaps. But it plausibly has cost Hillary and other Dems a non-trivial number of votes.

You’re forgetting the 2005 White Sox.

Really? Is America really more racist? Is America actually racist? That there are racist Americans is beyond doubt, but are they a significant minority? Or are they just a visible minority? Is this just fear-mongering by the Democratic establishment? Since that’s a blatant fork, albeit of my own thread, I’ll start a one on that subject here.

It may have, but only because of relentless lobbying and misrepresentation by the right. If extending health insurance to 20 million Americans who didn’t previously have it and removing the obscenely unethical pre-existing condition loophole was turned into a political liability by mendacious Republican electioneering, it just underscores the frustrating irrationality of this electoral disaster and the stupid gullible voters who caused it.

UHC is covered in my OP, folks. Can I just re-emphasise that I think that ‘not a lot happened on his watch’ is a good thing?

Looking back, Obama wasted a golden opportunity to ensure Democratic dominance for a long time by pursuing an agenda that was not very well received by the public and just assumed they’d like it in time. Under him, the Democratic Party lost more ground in elected offices than any other time in the post-war era. Until yesterday, Democrats could still point to the White House and the “blue wall” as a sign of strength in general elections. Turns out, the only strength was Obama himself. And with him gone, they are left with pretty much nothing. They have to rebuild.

The good news is that it doesn’t have to be a long rebuilding process, but Obama ended up being really bad for the party. As for the results of his Presidency, unremarkable but safe, so the overseas view of him is probably quite valid. My issues with his performance have mainly to do with process and his attitude towards his political opponents.

I summarized thusly in a previous thread:

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Or, in summary, seems decent (though not exceptional) but with a few potential trapdoors that may be waiting to swing open under us in the future.

TPP is a bad arrangement for us. The Iran treaty is a joke, and it brings the world much less stability.

He stumped often and hard for Clinton, because he realized his legacy was at stake. When things change, his legacy will be gone.

He was our first black president, and that in and of itself was a great statement to the country and to the world. But in the end, to be known mainly by the color of your skin (and I am a minority, brown), is not saying much at all. He was our first token black president. To quote DrCube, It’s like he wasn’t even President. A president with no lasting legacy is not a good president. He tried, but he failed miserably.

This too, a terrible deterioration of race relations.

I’ve got to partially disagree. While that may be the short term view, in the longer term, he will be seen in a much more favourable light. When he came to power the American economy was in a right state. Now it’s not. America has taken another step towards UHC. And so on. He’s done a lot of quiet, unsung work, and I think history will judge him favourably.

A primary purpose of TPP was to put together a partnership of non-Chinese countries as counterweight to a China growing in power. Its importance was geopolitical more than economic. (The growing power of China and Russia may eventually threaten world stability.)

As for Iran: Are you suggesting that an isolated Iran developing nuclear weapons provides more stability than an Iran which has abandoned, at least in the short and middle term, its nuclear ambitions and which is welcomed back to the tables of diplomacy? We’ll need a Cite for that to be more than one Doper’s quaint opinion.

He could’ve refrained from promising that, if I liked my plan, I could keep it.