So...is this Obama guy doing a good job?

Clearly the Conservatives don’t think so, what being a Black Muslim foreign terrorist and all.

And Dan Quayle’s son Ben had declared Obama the “worst President of all time”, thus proving intelligence is hereditary.

**But is Obama doing a good job as President of the USA? **Taking into acount the state of the country when he took office, health care, the bank bailouts, the BP spill, foreign relations, and anything else you can think of. (Please cite specific examples for or against).

Personally, my general impression is that he reminds me of the various Ivy League law/consulting/investment banking partners I work with/for. They spend a great deal of time and energy appearing to lead versus actually “leading”. Kind of like, if you don’t actually recommend a course of action, you can’t be blamed if it goes wrong.

Then again, the last guy took a lot of action.

As a liberal my view is he is doing an ok job, but he doesn’t really seem to have a backbone. However I don’t know if someo of the accomplishments were due to his policies, and how to factor in his willingness to water down legislation to win GOP votes which never come anyway.
The economy has stopped shedding jobs, so that is a huge bonus. We aren’t losing 800,000 jobs a month anymore. We aren’t gaining any, but the losses have stopped. However I don’t know how much was due to his policies (the psychological effect on the market & public of new leadership, the stimulus, etc).

Other impressive accomplishments include banning rescissions, banning pre-existing condition bans in 2014, a health care bill full of pilot programs to lower provider costs, the credit card bill, got $20 billion from BP (never would’ve happened under Cheney IMO), removing private lenders from student loans and saving billions, he seems to take concepts like renewable energy more seriously, etc.

I guess as long as unemployment is near 10% and the deficit is over a trillion, it really doesn’t matter what else he does.

http://www.daily-jeff.com/news/simple_article/4857392?page=0
Failures:

Claimed to support gay marriage in 1996, now opposes it likely for fear of being criticized. Isn’t acting on DADT. Job growth is anemic. Watered down the health bill by removing the public option, medicare negotiations and prescription reimportations. Really overestimates his charm.

Alright I’ll take a shot

Economy
The stimulus package was largely a success and probably prevented a disastrous depression. But we were really already making progress and some key parts like TARP belonged to Bush anyway. Doing anything was probably the key bit. The anything he pushed through congress was not exactly the anything I would have wanted. But it was certainly better than nothing. Let’s call it a: B

The Deficit
Pretty much all that can be done is being done. Fixing this is beyond Obama’s ability until both parties are wiling to do it. And it means cutting Social Security, Medicare and the Military budgets. Those are the only sections of the federal budget with enough “meat” to matter. It also means raising taxes. Not an easy job. And it really hasn’t been tackled in a meaningful way: Incomplete It’ll be an F if nothing happens before his term(s) are over.

Health Care
This turned out OK. In all there was a lot of meaningful reform, and by and large health care in this country should be improved by it. But he mishandled the entire process. All in all this was a missed opportunity. Call it a: B

BP Spill
He didn’t exactly cover himself with glory here. But really there wasn’t a lot more that could be done, than was done. C?

Military
Pretty much we need to get out our Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as our national pride will allow. I’m not saying we should abandon our interests but we are hemorrhaging our national wealth chasing rainbows in lands where we will never achieve what we are looking for. He has advanced the process in Iraq but Afghanistan is a disaster and getting worse. That’s not good. Lets call it a: C

Foreign Relations
He makes us look better on the world stage than Bush did. But pretty much anyone would. But there has been no real progress on any of the key issues here. Iran is still a problem, North Korea is still a problem, Israel is still a problem, leftist Latin America still hates us, Russia and China still are kinda sorta working against us on too many issues. Not that any of these are easy mind you, but outside some significant speeches I don’t see any success. But I also don’t see too much in major blunders. Call it a: C

Political Rancor
I think Obama had a true opportunity to dial down the partisanship, in Washington at least even if not on talk radio. I think he mishandled that opportunity. C

Social Issues
Abortion, Gay Rights, Race Relations, Immigration. None of these has been advanced in any significant way. Thorny problems to be sure. But so far they either haven’t been addressed or they have been fumbled. D

Other
He broke his open government promises. He has left NASA a bit directionless. The issues at the Department of the Interior have still to be resolved. And I’m not seeing any real successes I can put to balance these. D

So in my book he has been an OKish president, at a time we really could have used a great one. But worst of all time? No. I can think of at least 4 worse out of the last 10 (G. W. Bush, Carter, Ford and Nixon).

What you see as leaving directionless, I see as removing fetters. The purpose of Bush’s Moon-Mars initiative wasn’t to get us to the Moon or Mars; if that were the purpose, the initiative would have come with enough funding to make that possible. The purpose was just to cripple NASA from doing anything else, so they wouldn’t join the evil liberal climate change conspiracy. NASA can figure out what to do on its own, without a politician telling them.

How would cutting social security effect the defficiet?

He totally pisses off my dad, so he can’t be all bad. :stuck_out_tongue:

I think he’s doing a pretty good job, over all. He’s managed to mainly pretty much keep his promise to get us out of Iraq on a reasonable time table, and for that alone I’m thankful.

As for your list, I’d say:

Health Care: Too early to tell. Personally, I think it was a bad compromise, no matter if you think health care reform was needed or not, but only time will tell at this point.

Bank bailouts: Well, I think they were mainly done under Bush, and I have very mixed feelings about the bailouts in any case, but overall I’m still leaning towards the fact that they were necessary.

BP spill: I actually think he did a good job on this one, staying out of the way as much as possible, and providing guidance and direction as much as needed. Towards the end I think he was caving to pressure from his base to torture BP, but overall I give him a solid B+ on this.

Foreign relations: Definitely a good job here. I think he’s actually more liked in other countries than he is here, and after Bush we probably needed a president who was at least marginally liked abroad.

I’ll also add, the economy: Too early to tell, but over all I give him decent marks, considering the state of the thing when he took over. I gave Bush a break on this early in his term as well, since the economy was shitty when he took the helm. Hopefully, Obama will do much better in the medium and long term of his administration than Bush did, and will leave the economy in much better shape than when he took office…unlike Bush. Time will tell on this as well.

Over all, I think Obama has been a decent president so far, moving more towards the center than the left (or right), which is always a good thing, IMHO. :stuck_out_tongue:

-XT

He lied about everything to beat Hillary, then he back peddled on why he couldn’t do what he said he’d do.

We should’ve been out of Iraq by now, according to him. Oh yes, if you go by his campaign promise, as well as G’tmo. But I guess what mattered was he told people what they wanted to hear. Now he is inventing reasons why his promises can’t be done.

I don’t fault him for not being able to do it. What I fault him for was taking advantage of stupid people who didn’t know any better.

The argument “he’s trying” doesn’t wash, when he knew darn well he couldn’t do it to begin with.

The healthcare reform is a weak version of his vision, yet because he got something passed, he views it as a victory as if his version and vision passed. It didn’t come close and will still leave millions uninsured.

This is a man who did nothing for two years as IL senator except NOT vote for the Iraq war and run for president.

Where Mr Obama benefits is GW Bush was SO BAD, anyone would look good in comparison.

You can’t judge Mr Obama on what he is doing to correct GW Bush’s errors. You can’t constantly say “I inherited it.” At some point it becomes your problems. You take ownership and deal with it.

You can’t fault Republicans for “picking” on Mr Obama anymore than you can fault the Democrats for doing the same to GW Bush. That’s their job to question. You question everything and let the people decide what is nonsense.

I think he sucks. I don’t see much different from 2001 to 2010.

Foreign relations, Obama does a good job of not pissing off everybody, he still pisses off the people that are never going to be happy no matter what. But from when I was overseas this summer, people where happier or at least more comfortable. B+ on that front, and that’s a big one.

War front. Lets take troops from Iraq and throw them into another impossible situation. Every president needs their war. Hopefully he keeps this one since GW orphaned it and doesn’t feel the need to start another. Same BS policies, different country. Troops are still dying and nobody cares and it doesn’t make the news, Hannity and Rush aren’t even screaming about it.

The Guantanamo stuff, same president, different day.

Patriot Act, Same president different day.

Health INSURANCE reform(it has nothing to do with CARE). Carbon copy of the prescription drug crap Bush pushed through. Just taken to the next level.

Just another narcissistic power hungry jerkoff, he just has a (D) after his name instead of an ®.

Canadian checking in here and I think the US of A is very very lucky to have Obama as president. Your alternative was John McCain and Sarah Palin, remember?

I think Obama has taken a country that was doing very badly and he has turned it around.

I don’t understand why posters are blaming Obama for not being able to shut down Gitmo. The obstructionism he faces on this issue from all sides of the political spectrum is well documented.

Same with the economy. It’s way way way bigger than any single person and it does not move in time to speeches, no matter how eloquent they may be. Obama’s influence is a pebble in a raging river. Despite this, he’s changed the river’s course. You say he should be able to do more? Are you sure that’s what you want?

Health care reform is a big deal whether folks here want to admit it or not. You already had death panels. They were called insurance company bureaucrats and their only function in life was to deny care to anyone who asked for it. Obama has put a stop to that practice. How can that be so casually dismissed? I do think that Obama dropped the ball somewhat by farming out the heavy lifting to congress but since they are a body of lawmakers it makes some sense for them to write the actual laws, no? Obama’s vision for health care wouldn’t have passed in the best case scenario and you’re lucky (as a nation) to have anything passed at all. Again, what kind of care do you think you’d get out of McCain? Or God forbid, Palin?

Obama is not an empty suit, nor is is a “narcissistic power hungry jerkoff”. Read “The Audacity of Hope”. You’ve got someone in the White House who loves his country, honestly wants the best for it and has the ability to try to transcend partisan politics. It is in no way Obama’s fault that he has an opposition that demonizes him at every turn and says “NO! YOU COMMUNIST KENYAN BASTARD!” when he remarks that the sky is blue.

Citizens of the USA have no idea how good you have it under Obama. Don’t believe me? Elect a Republican president. Any Republican. You’ll see.

Probably not something that worries many Americans but he’s done a lot to improve the rest of the world’s opinion of the US. A lot of people who would generally say they liked Americans utterly detested Bush (GW) together with his clique and all they stood for.

Don’t ask for citations as it’s not that simple. It is, however, very obvious if you read much on international affairs (in this particular instance it has to be from non US sources, of course).

His two major achievements so far are the health care and financial system reforms and I wish he’d gotten more on both fronts. Both include some very good elements but they also don’t address some important issues that need to be dealt with. I’m not sure how much more was political possible on either issue but I think a public insurance option should’ve been included with health care reform and cost issues needed to be addresses, and the finance bill should have regulated derivatives and other financial instruments to a greater degree. That might’ve been possible if he’d moved on that issue sooner.

Economy: Unemployment is still high. I think the stimulus package should have included some provisions requiring banks and companies receiving federal money to turn around and spend the money, or in the case of banks lend it, instead of sitting on it. Some of these companies returned to profitability in a hurry without the rest of the economy taking off. Some of the financial institutions appear to be doing the same crap that brought about the 2008 crisis.

Wars: Both clusterfucks when he arrived. The Iraq reduction is moving along; whether anything that’s been done there will work is an open question. Afghanistan remains clusterfucky. I don’t know if anybody could have done anything at all with it, but despite the deadline I’m not sure anything has improved. Widespread use of unmanned drones is a point of concern that hardly anybody seems to worry about at this point.

Civil liberties: Everybody’s still waiting on the killshot for Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell even though eliminating that rule appears to be broadly popular. I don’t know if the administration is taking things slow to avoid flack from the right or if they just want to prove they are considering the military’s opinions on the subject, or if it’s something else. Still, this is pretty popular and not hard to fix, and it hasn’t been done. The administration appears to be moving away from the War on Drugs somewhat, which is great even if it’s slow progress. Guantanamo Bay is still open and many controversial surveillance rules are still in use. These are both failures although I’m not surprised by either.

Courts: Too early to say much about Obama’s Supreme Court choices. I think he’ll also get to replace Ginsburg by 2012 after but at least through this term, he is not likely to be able to change anything significant about the makeup of the Supreme Court or the Court’s issues.

Congress: The people who said Obama’s biggest problems were going to be with Congress (and in particular with a big-tent Democratic Party instead of a smaller GOP) were correct. Despite Biden being a former Senator and Emanuel being a former Congressman the administration has not done well with Congress. They’ve tried to avoid bossing Congress around because Congress doesn’t like that, but the end result is that other people end up shaping the details of the administration’s agenda.

Gulf/BP: The Minerals Management Service should have been split up and its ashes scattered to the winds before the oil spill, and the process of oil permits should have been reformed. It still needs reforming. I don’t fault Obama on his handling of the spill itself, and I think he did very well in talking/cajoling/threatening BP to setting aside money early on to help people who were harmed by the spill. New Orleans still needs help related to Katrina and it’s sad that that’s become such a back-burner issue.

Foreign Affairs: He’s done fine here, I think. Anybody who thought he was going to be able to talk Iran into giving up its nuclear program, get tons of countries to join the Afghanistan effort, or boss China around was kidding himself. That’s not how these things work, and with the economy where it is, the military severely taxed and U.S. prestige at a low when he took office, his capacity to do things was limited. I think he’s doing well at rebuilding things here.

Mechagodzilla: Hasn’t attacked. B/B+.

I think Obama was much better at running for president than he is at being president. He should have realized much earlier on (if he even realizes yet) that the Republicans have no interest in working with him and would much rather see a complete economic collapse than do anything to help him politically.

Health Care: C- You don’t start negotiations by giving away everything you want. He tried too much to be the polar opposite of Team Clinton in his approach. Yes, he got something done but he allowed the Republicans to frame the debate and allowed the summer of discontent in 2009 to give birth to the Teabaggers.

Economy: B+ Again, he gave away too much to the Republicans only to get stiffed in the voting. If the Republicans offer no votes, why offer them any voice? The stimulus was too small. He needs to push for non-renewal of the Bush tax cuts. We can’t afford them.

Wars: C He gave McChrystal too many strikes. If he can’t articulate why we’re in Afghanistan and what victory looks like, then we should get the hell out.

Foreign Policy: A At least he has stopped the bleeding caused by the halfwit cowboy. It will take some time to repair the damage, but the US is much more liked than it was before.

Oil Spill: B+ He achieved a lot more (the escrow fund) by not going ballistic on BP like everyone wanted him to. Really, he did what could be done.

Handling Congress: F Earth to Obama: The Republicans want to destroy you. Time to take the gloves off and fight back.

Supreme Court: B Both his picks seem to be reasonable. Between Sotomayor and the Nazi Arizona law, he should have the Hispanic vote in Democratic hands for a generation. Until someone from the right retires or dies (please please please retire, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, Roberts) the Court is going to be a right wing Court.

Overall: B- What could have been, save for chasing the unicorn called bipartisanship.

Health Care: C+/B- While he actually DID do something to reform the insurance companies, they left a lot undone as well. I haven’t seen anything so far that has provided me with a decent affordable option as a result of this bill. On the other hand, if something awful was to happen, I’m more protected than under the old system. Overall a benefit.

Economy: C - This isn’t entirely his fault, or problem to correct. He has made some good inroads, but hardly touched the the water with his toe much less found the bottom of the pool of reform needed on this.

Wars: C- I was promised a quick and timely end to the war that has not yet manifested. So far I’ve seen some motions but not much accomplished.

Foreign Policy: A : He’s done a lot to repair our image around the world and I’m thankful enough for that small favor that I’m willing to overlook his lack of action on certain other issues in this dept.

Oil Spill: B- : Not really his issue, but the media certainly made it one. He should have responded faster, but otherwise made the right moves. He would have gotten slammed for this one regardless of how he handled it.

Handling Congress: F : This has been an abysmal failure. When the Republicans made it clear they they weren’t going to support anything he was trying to do, he should have come down like the wrath of god on congress. Hard and often and LOUDLY. He’s playing a closer game and trying to be the reconciliator when we need the terminator. He should be exercising all of his powers to handle and punish congress so long as they are acting like spoiled children.

Supreme Court: C : His picks seem okay to me; I’m not thrilled or appalled.

Social issues: C/ INCOMPLETE: He should have just repealed DADT immediately and told the military to deal. Further, he should have done whatever possible to have the supreme court make a ruling on SSM. Whichever way it turned out at least he could have said he’d done all he could. Since his term isn’t over, I’m withholding judgment on this completely.

Overall/ Current score: C. : He has disappointed me more than pleased me so far, and capitulated to the right FAR more than he ought to have once they showed their colors. However he still has time in office and will undoubtedly run for a second term. It is fair to assume that if he wins a second term he might be playing a long game here; laying the groundwork for a heavy assault when he’s basically politically untouchable.

I want to be somewhat charitable, given that anyone stepping into the complete shitstorm that his predecessor left in nearly every possible category would have had a struggle on their hands.

However, I generally agree with Wesley Clark, and to some degree with Acid Lamp. I’d give him an overall B-. I’d rather have someone who will aggressively pursue a progressive agenda, and I’m severely disappointed in the ways that he has reversed course on his campaign promises - most particularly in terms of civil liberties. Maybe this is because I read a lot of Glenn Greenwald.

I should’ve added at least one other item to my list.

Terrorism: Mostly positive because he’s dropped the War on Terror/Prolonged Global Struggle Against Extremism/Whatever rhetoric and attitude. There have been no successful attacks in the U.S., obviously. But they got lucky on the underpants bombing. He should’ve been caught long before he put on his C4 codpiece. Some good luck and alert passengers stopped him from killing a bunch of people. If they hadn’t, we would be looking at this area and at Obama’s entire presidency in a very different way.

Obama has had a blanket filibuster from the Repubs. The result has been a watering down of every bill he offered. All the Repubs had to do is get one Dem to flip and we get instant quagmire.
healthcare. -getting anything was huge. It is not what I wanted but it has helped. They can still get single payer, that would be huge.
Economy- He inherited a mess . The Repubs passed TARP and then changed it. They were supposed to buy toxic assets but did not. They gave the money to the banks that caused the mess. Nothing like rewarding the thieves to teach them a lesson.
wars- Get out of Iraq today. Get out of Afghanistan tomorrow. We are wasting money we don’t have on wars we can not win. We have to leave eventually. Then all hell breaks loose. Do it now and save money and lives.
DADT should have been dealt with long ago. Get to it Obama.
Gay marriage should be the law of the land. We can not allow discrimination by states.
Supreme court- He is just replacing people with likely the same kind of people. No change in the most activist court of all time. We need a conservative to retire.
oil spill- the government does not possess the technology to fight spills. He had to rely on BP and that was too bad. They have been protecting themselves from day 1. The re-regulation so far is noise. He has to get bust having 30,000 oil wells properly inspected.
We are still not creating enough jobs. You can rest assured the Repubs would fight any program that would create jobs for political reasons. If we were adding jobs faster, the Repubs would be dead meat.

Not his fault. Senate hasn’t passed the defense appropriation bill yet. Democrats trying to schedule floor vote in September, but Republicans threatening to block it unless DADT and abortion ban repeal are removed.

Unless there was no defense appropriations bill last year - and I am sure there was one - that’s a questionable excuse.

Obama’s great at demagoguing. He says what stupid people like to hear and then fails to do it. Cash-for-Clunkers was a textbook example of window-breaking, yet no one called him on it. Stimulus money was incredibly mismanaged, going to plug budget gaps in municipalities and funding already-funded projects instead of going to where it would create jobs.

As for the military, he hasn’t changed a damn thing. We were already transferring power to the Iraqi government when he came into office and he just continued down that path. Then he ramps up the Afghan war, which is an entirely different political mess, and uses some half-ass Iraq strategies. So now, no ground is being gained but more soldiers are dying.

Socially, there’s been 0 progress made. We’re on year 2 and still illegal immigration hasn’t been fixed. We’ve still got illegals pouring over the border at record rates and he hasn’t even mentioned it. Then when Arizona finally mans up and says “If you won’t enforce current law, we will.” And what’s he do? He sues Arizona! It’s the LAW, Mr. Executive. EXECUTE IT.

Then we’ve got health insurance reform which just turned into another transfer payment. It’s just another excuse to take my money and give it to people that haven’t lifted a finger to help me. You’re welcome, leeches. Now if we had single payer or a public option, that could make sense. But no. Instead, I have to have health insurance or get taxed. That’s right, folks, my decision to not participate in interstate commerce gives the government the right to tax me. Bwuh?:confused:

Still wish we had McCain.

Um. “Plugging budget holes” was the single best use of stimulus money, in that it worked to keep people in jobs that various levels of local government had already decided they needed to be doing rather than throwing yet more people out of work in the middle of a recession; I wish there’d been a lot more of that and less random busybody programs, but we can thank the moderate sensible Olympia Snowe for cutting the shit out of it.

Also, “illegal” is not a noun.