Why does my head hurt so much?
Why is my tongue bleeding?
Where did this huge dent in my wall come from?
Quoth Snickers:
Inventor-type roles often have some sort of information-gaining power, but they’re usually in addition to, rather than instead of, a dedicated cop. For comparison, Harry Potter and Screamers both had inventor-types with information powers (Sirius in HP; the general store owner in Screamers), but both games also had a full detective. At a guess, I’d say at this point that the Detective is probably Gandalf, whomever that is.
In any event, though, it doesn’t really make much practical difference to us whether there’s a Detective or not, or what role-name e has. Right now, if we have one, e hasn’t claimed yet, so we have to just use good old-fashioned Scum-hunting methods.
I’m really not seeing this lynch of ed right now. Sure the handshake fiasco hasn’t worked the way he hoped and may have exposed some town power roles, but that doesn’t automatically make him Scum. The other arguments are even less convincing. Besides sitting back and relying on Town Power roles to win the game for us has never been my idea of a fun game of Mafia anyway (see Cecilvania!)
I agree with **Nanook’s **assessment of Snickers’ post and initially I was willing to chalk it up to Newbieness, but this is Day 3 and I think we have to hold players, even new ones, to a higher standard. I’m going to
vote Snickers
for the time being. We still have a lot of time left Today.
For the time being, I’m going back to my pre-Chip vote
Vote: Astral
For making and pushing a weak case against me when Suburban and I were in a tightly contested race.
The reasoning contained logical and factual errors. Many of which Astral conceded to.
**Unofficial ****Vote Count:
Specialed(2): Astralrejection, Chronos,
Astralrejection(2): Redskeezix, Specialed
**** Pleonast(2): Meeko, Drainbead
Snickers (2): Nanook, USCDiver
Meeko(1): Pleonast
Not Voting:
**
Peeker
OneandOnly
Guiri
Snickers LittlePlasticNinja
Inner Stickler Normal Phase
Oredigger
MHaye
HoopyFrood
Cucuy
Natlaw
Some comments on the vote record so far:
-Ignoring Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix for now for their burb votes D1
-Astral and MHaye extra attention for voting with special ed with burb D1
-D2 record doesn’t say much I think since no one in real lynch danger besides Chipa except perhaps ed. Astral did revote special ed, MHaye did not.
I agree that I don’t see a specific reason for a scum to get told what Chronos claimed, so I’ll ignore him for now as well.
Culling some of loud leaves me with:
5. Astral Rejection - There is a case against him for the vote/quick unvote D1 of Chronos
6. OneandOnly - Peeker what happened to your scum-slip against him end of Day one?
9. Guiri
Nothing jumps out to me.
10. Snickers
Had a defense of Chipa D2 has some votes for other reasons
13. Inner Stickler
Another substite, not much here either
16. MHaye
As far as I can remember he always uses the color names for factions.
17 HoopyFrood
He’s in the game? I didn’t know the LotR featured Zombies, maybe he’s one of those specters 
23. USCDiver
Drawing another blank here.
So I’ll try to review the ones that don’t stand out to me. And try to keep up with the cases for the loud.
How big is that first pool? I count just 4(.5) successful handshakes in addition to Special Ed.
This is exactly where I am, I’m optimistic that we can turn this around to our advantage but have yet to see the light. So far we’ve given scum loads of information, whether they had the VT PM or not, but we’ve learned little to nothing. I don’t think a name claim is going to help much but there must be some way of making the whole handshake benefit Town.
FWIW, add me to the bunch of players who don’t see Pleo’s case against MHaye. If, at least, in the other game where he was scum and used a different name to describe scum without previous explanation (Nefarious Forces and Infiltrators) he’d actually used the new term in the scum thread before the main thread, there’d be some (probably weak) grounds for a case but there’s no mention in that scum thread of the alternative names for scum. In any case, SAHM is pretty demeaning and lends itself to a term used by Town to describe scum.
I think it’s reasonable to assume he was our inventor. Add the fact that he stated that he trusted Telcontar on Day 1, unless he had a Day power, this is not something a Cop would normally say.
You were “reluctantly” thinking that he was the scummiest of all when you placed your vote. What exactly happened between your vote and your latest post to make you change your mind on Special Ed?
“Inventor type?” I’m not familiar with that - is it a common role? I’ve never heard of it before.
Why do I assume Gadarene (as Aragorn) was a detective? It seems to me to be consistent with canon - after Pippin got the palantir (and fell sway to its charms), Aragorn took it from him and spent a long, exhausing night wresting it to his will. While most looking into it would’ve been corrupted, sent into despair, or tricked into revealing key information, Aragorn was able to subdue those nefarious schemes through strength of will and see what he wished to (instead of what whoever else wished to reveal). I see this as consistent with an investigator; I can easily be mistaken. (Lord knows I have been in this game before, esp with the Treebeard/Tom Bombadil mixup.)
Nanook’s probably right that Mahaloth would’ve probably called Gadarene a detective if he was one - he’s been good so far about clearly revealing people’s roles. But he’s also so far avoided telling us what Aragorn’s special objects were and has ordered others to conceal information, so there is that.
Yeah, I know I’m weaselling on the ed thing, and I’m sorry for that. As my first game, I’m probably overly leery of mislynching someone. I’m really trying to follow the advice given in this game (namely, if you think someone is scum, vote for them. If you don’t, don’t.). And I’m not yet convinced that ed is scum. I wasn’t yesterDay either, but I voted for him because I perceived him as the scummiest so far. I’m feeling “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” - I couldn’t not vote for anyone, because that would be seen as lurking, but voting for ed looks like I’m a bandwagon jumper. It’s not a good explanation, but it’s the best I have. Would it have been scummier for me to have jumped on the ed bandwagon earlier today instead of making the statements that I did? I dunno.
Bah. I’m not explaining myself well.
No, because now it appears that your primary concern isn’t with finding the Scum but with how you will look to everyone else.
And see, Scum worry about that. A lot
Regarding Aragorn as Detective: from canon, with his healing powers wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be a doctor? And, from canon, how could Legolas be a protector? With his elven senses, wouldn’t he make more sense as a detective?
go here:
http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf
Click around, it’s there somewhere.
mafiagameswiki.com has no description of Inventor or Jack of all trades (which are the same role in essence)
I placed my vote on ed yesterday because I saw him as the scummiest so far, not that I was convinced that he was scum. (I didn’t think not voting was really a good idea.) I can see scum motivations behind his handshake fail, but I also see how it was a well-intentioned town move gone wrong. And based on ed’s previous explanations, and his further explanation toDay in post #1955, I’m really inclined towards the latter.
[quote=special ed]
No, because now it appears that your primary concern isn’t with finding the Scum but with how you will look to everyone else.
And see, Scum worry about that. A lot[\quote]
True. I’ll cut that nonsense out toot-sweet.
Maybe? While I clearly remember the palantir thing with Aragorn, I’m not recalling his healing powers (except for his helping Frodo with the stab wound, but didn’t he have to go to Elrond for full healing?). Wait - it’s “the hands of a king are healing hands” or whatever, right? Yeah, it’s coming back. Slowly. Clearly, the struggle with the palantir was more memorable to me than the houses of healing.
Dammit! Trying that second half again. Preview twice, post once - learn it live it love it.
True. I’ll cut that nonsense out toot-sweet.
Maybe? While I clearly remember the palantir thing with Aragorn, I’m not recalling his healing powers (except for his helping Frodo with the stab wound, but didn’t he have to go to Elrond for full healing?). Wait - it’s “the hands of a king are healing hands” or whatever, right? Yeah, it’s coming back. Slowly. Clearly, the struggle with the palantir was more memorable to me than the houses of healing.
It’s much more clear in the books.
That helps, a ton. (I’m most familiar with MafaGamesWiki - need more resources.) Yes, according to those definitions, Aragorn’s definitely a better fit with the Inventor/Jack of all trades roles. What with the healing and the seeing and the dead raising and all. The man can’t be categorized!
Quoth Snickers:
An inventor typically has a wide variety of different powers, but they’re each only usable once, or maybe twice. It’s hard to say much about them in general, because it depends so much on what specific powers they have.
Quoth special ed:
A priori, maybe, but we now know that Legolas was, in fact, the Doctor-equivalent, and Aragorn wasn’t. For that matter, it’s kind of odd, when you think about it, that the protector-role in Mafia games is usually referred to as a “doctor”: Given the choice, I’d much prefer a guy who prevented me from getting shot, to one who could patch up the wound.
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ding ding ding we have a winner.
anyone who suggests that i am spamming this thread can come right out and say so (pleo). i don’t mind. crud drain wants to fuck me so that is a net gain on my end.
discussion is the wmd of town. some folks don’t like it. i am hunting scum. and the only way i can do that is by looking at posts. and some may seem innocuous but maybe not.
woot woot this is a good one folks, thanks.
certain folks want to look at vote records. i just want to see what people post. that gives me harder data points (me personally).
Why? Do you have experience with such (in past games or something)?
ok. to heck with it. i need to put my money where my mouth is.
vote hoopy
blah blah blah blah blah.
and on preview, i and didn’t hose the coloring because i actually looked at what i was posting.
woot woot. 
**Vote Count:
Specialed(2): Astralrejection, Chronos,
Astralrejection(2): Redskeezix, Specialed
Pleonast(2): Meeko, Drainbead
Snickers (2): Nanook, USCDiver
Meeko(1): Pleonast
Hoopy(1): Peeker
Day ends Thursday at Noon Eastern.**
This is the most even spread of voting we’ve had all game.