NETA: I just figured it out.
Haggle Plus Mafia would have to approximate Call of Cthulhu.
Then again, if the concept of " Insanity " would enter a game, I would think Peeker and I would have to recuse ourselves.
crud. well you can be my agent for the next round of contract negotiations, then.
This Night is going sideways.
How can I, as a ghost, grasp the concept of Haggle when I’m dead?
Is it like a mountain goat who has to walk on a a parking lot filled with plush top California king mattresses?
Do Nights in other games include references to Haggle? Were they designed to confuse ghosts? How is this fair to me, when I’m dead and can discuss Haggle much less eat a potato?
hypothetically, if i weren't dead could i eat a potato?
OK, we’ll get going in about 10 minutes folks. Don’t post before I post the Dawn color stuff.
“He walked here and there, they say, as an old man hooded…very much like Gandalf.”
These were the last words anyone had heard Redskeezix say….and now he was missing in the morning. He had been discussing Saruman before they had wisely decided to kill him.
“Where could he be? He was such a fine warrior….and a leader of men,” said many others.
They found him quickly, in his tent. Dead.
**Redskeezix is now dead.
He was Eomer, a member of the Alliance of Light. He had no special powers.**
One member of the Alliance of Light said, “He was one of our very finest, if not the finest.”
It is now Day Five. Day Five ends on Thursday at 3:30 PM Eastern.
OK, we really need to hear from the surprisingly-not-dead Nanook now.
Meanwhile, though: Natlaw was a watcher, not a full investigator. I consider it unlikely that the Scum would have had both a watcher and a normal investigator, and yet he knew (as confirmed by Astral) what Astral was. This implies that Astral is Scum.
Vote Astral
Also note that Astral recommended yesterDay that Nanook investigate him: This is certainly consistent with the assumption that Natlaw’s claim was an attempt to save a valuable Scum, since Godfathers benefit greatly from being investigated.
Ayup.
Vote Astral
Go town! and Hah @ Scum!
yeh, i gotta agree with chronos which could very well be a first.
nook needs to get in here and let us know what in the world he got. because i sure as heck was anticipating that our presumed dick would be dead.
and i am too considering getting an **astral/b] vote on the books as well but i kind of have a couple of other avenues that i want to explore first. imagine that.
fuck imagine that. we are back to an astral fucking lynch when we could have resolved this shit a Day or so ago and kept a townie alive.
but shoot votes are cheap early on, right? gotta vote for who i find the scummiest or at least exhibiting the most anti town behavior.
vote wanderer.
You’re still stuck on that? Voting for a guy for trying to save someone who got investigated as a Townie?
apparantly.
and i know it is monday morning quarterbacking but am i the only one in this game that thought that nat’s middle of the night post (at least for me) and subsequent “well i have some more but won’t tell you” kind of nonsense was full of horse hockey. and for someone to move their vote off of a person they thought was scum to someone they thought was town based on that lame shit is scummy, imo.
oh noes, what do i do. wah wah wah wah.
sorry, chronos not buying it a bit.
ok.
chronos think of it this way. Day is winding down. peek says, “oh, btw chronos is scum. get back to you later on details”. would that be enough for you to move your vote to chronos?
I fully expected to be dead too. Unsurprisingly, since I’m not dead, I was blocked last Night.
A Watcher and an Investigator does seem kinda weird for both to be on a Scum team. Still, such a ham fisted way to go about saving someone. This is probably going to be bothering me until the game ends.
Really really want to hear from Nanook, but in the mean time
vote peeker/
Everyone else understands I was choosing between what I believed to be 2 townies, and everyone else gets why I chose the way I did
Peeker - you are scum. You are trying to muddy the waters.
For me to be scum in the situation we are looking at;
Astral has to be uberscum
Scum team discusses and decides to save.
Nat throws out the fake claim to give a reason to unvote
I am luckily enough able to, by chaning vote, change a 5-6 into a 6-5 and save Astral.
Here’s the point though, the same save could ahve ben carries out by me making teh same vote change at lynch -1 without exposing Nat.
Unless Nanook comes back with a guilty on Astral, or a similar level event, my vote is fixed.
YES
unless we are approaching LyLo a player committing to a role and a result is enough to treat as kosher at lynch - half an hour. If they are lying we are doing a 1 for 1. ALWAYS a good thing for town.
I can tell you right now, if I was scum, I’d have killed Nanook. I need to go back and see if I can figure out what made Red Skeezix such a compelling target to them. Although, I can see a certain degree of smarts in their decision. Makes me look scummy as hell, garnering them another town mislynch.
Nanook reported being blocked. If I was the godfather, wouldn’t I want him fully capable of investigating me? Especially after requesting that he do that very thing? Assuming a scummy me, blocking him seems like cutting off my nose to spite my face.
I still think Natlaw slipped up by saying that the scum were hunting for something precious. Given that, couldn’t it then be possible that scum have both a watcher and an investigator? If they need to find something to win the game, it’d give them one and a half shots at it every night. Seems reasonable to me.
More thoughts to come. I’m at work right now, but I’m headed home soon!
And since the scum took out vanilla, they likely don’t know who the remaining power roles are. And it’s logical for them to block you and kill somewhere else, since if town has another doctor of some sort, you’d be likely getting protection. Why risk a missed kill if they can simply block you and kill in the remaining pool?
vote astral
For the reasons I gave yesterDay as to why there’s a good chance he’s scum.
Now, since peeker asked yesterDay, a scum tracker (which is what Natlaw was, not a traditional “watcher”, which usually sees all people that act on a target, and is really powerful for scum) is about the equivalent power to an scum investigator. Scum really don’t need to know the specifics of a town power as much as they need to know the power exists at all. In all power games, investigators become more useful, but in games where the roles are fairly straightforward, there’s not much advantage to one or the other.
So I agree with the sentiments that it would be unlikely for scum to have a regular investigator in this setup.
As I said yesterDay, you’re either scum or you lack imagination.
Why kill the possibly protected detective, when you can just block him and try to find other power roles? The unconfirmed pool is still large enough that scum don’t really have to worry about exposure by killing from there. Although, why they didn’t take out one of Nanook’s confirmations is a bit odd, though, it could be they just want to raise suspicions against Nanook.
Why does Red Skeezix being dead make you look scummy?
Why would Nanook investigate someone who stands a good chance to be Godfather anyway? Scum know that it’s unlikely that Nanook would investigate you after the discussion we had about it yesterDay. So there’s no reason for them not to block him.
I think Natlaw was just throwing out noise.
Quoth Astral:
No, what’s making you look scummy as Hell is the fact that a known Scum was able to identify you when the evidence is that he probably wouldn’t have been able to identify a Townie. Nanook has nothing to do with that one. And leaving him unblocked to let him investigate you would only work if he were foolish enough to try to investigate you in the first place, which I don’t think he is.
Quoth Hoopy:
There is one big difference between a Scum tracker and investigator: A tracker can’t find a passive power role. If, for instance, Frodo is a passive role (and please note, whoever you are, I am not asking you to confirm or deny!), then giving the Scum a tracker rather than an investigator might have been a deliberate design decision, to make Frodo harder to find. Of course, this also points to them not having a full investigator.