That’s kinda my point.
Then extend the logic
1> I am town - Scum saw my hand shake and KNOW I am town
2> I am scum - Scum know all about me by definition.
Now town know just as much as scum, which ios to the good yes?
OK, so peeker has apparently decided to give up any pretext at playing the game, and is now just basing his votes on dice rolls. I’m completely disregarding anything he says from now on.
Meeko, Wanderers is not claiming to be confirmed, or anything like that. He’s just saying that, if he’s Town, he’s known to be vanilla.
As for why the Scum didn’t kill Nanook, my best guess is that they’re still hoping to hit Frodo or other power roles. The detective’s not a problem as long as they can keep blocking him, so until their roleblocker gets lynched (or alternately, until everyone but their roleblocker gets lynched, since then the blocker would need to make the kills), they might as well keep him on ice and shoot other targets. As for why they chose Red specifically, I’m guessing it’s because they were worried that that parchment might hurt them somehow.
Vote Astral
I don’t believe any of your gyrations.
The issue I have, as I had with Pleonast, is that you can’t be confirmed based on your words alone. Anything said after this must assume you are telling the truth, which we simply do not know.
Again, Chronos, I’m not sure what I am supposed to do with that information. I mean it’s like trying to deduce something by logic, and you are staring at a big sometimes.
Hate to go here, because I’m included in it, but am I now confirmed as VT, and the same for the other people that were detected? — **Should we move to full claim at this point? **
You can’t be confirmed Town by your words alone, but you can be confirmed to not be a Town power role. It’s not the most useful information imaginable, and if you can’t think of anything to do with it, that’s fine, but it is information.
I would emphatically not recommend a full claim at this point, since Frodo is still hidden. I don’t know what happens if he gets killed, and I’d rather not find out. It might, however, be worthwhile for the remaining handshakers to confirm (I believe that would be Hoopy, Snickers, and USCDiver).
Actually, on thinking a moment more about it, those claims can at least be put off until toMorrow. The reason Town benefits from information is ultimately that we can base our decision of whom to lynch on it, and I think that’s pretty well decided already. So it’s probably not worth giving that small amount of information to Scum just yet… There’s still the possibility of catching someone in a false claim, say.
Meeko, you’re definitely known to be either Celeborn and vanilla Town, or Scum, based on your claims. You’re extremely likely to be Town, based on Nanook’s investigation of you, though not quite completely confirmed, since there’s still the possibility that you’re the Godfather, or that Nanook is lying Scum (both of which I consider unlikely, but they can’t be completely ruled out). You’re certainly close enough to confirmed that it would be folly for us to lynch you, which is really all that matters.
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ouch.
do you know what i know?
Says a someone claiming to be a Power Role perhaps you should spill now Peeks? Gonna stay awake tonight?
I was wondering if you’d bring this up. I think it’s pretty easy to find scum motivation behind switching your vote off ed - you could attempt to use it later to gain townie cred. As you’ve now done.
Your post has changed my mind. I’m now more inclined to believe that you are a high-value scum than a simple VT innocently involved in scum plans.
Vote Astral.
**Mahaloth **said this about Natlaw’s abilities:
I’m like **Chronos **- I thought this meant **Natlaw **was a watcher. But **Hoopy **and **Guiri **think he was a tracker instead. I’m confused by this. What’s the difference between the two? How does what **Mahaloth **said point to one over the other?
A watcher chooses a person each night and is informed if anyone visits that person. A Tracker chooses a person each night and is informed if that person visits anyone.
Ah. Gottit. Thanks!
Of course you don’t. That’s two me-two votes on me in three days.
Assuming I survived. Which was not assured at the time. If Natlaw was supposed to save me, why did he wait until 30 minutes before the lynch to fully claim? I could have been dead right up until then.
Let’s say I’m scum. Let’s say One and Only didn’t switch off me. I then die, because I steadfastly refused to switch back to Ed. Oops! Now I’m revealed to be scum, and Natlaw dies as well. I guess I didn’t plan that out very well.
I’m joking (slightly) but does that really make any sense to you, much less make me more scum than you previously though?
Let’s say that One and Only didn’t switch off of you, and neither did anyone else: That’s the real key. Of course Natlaw didn’t know that Wanderers specifically would switch, but he had to have expected that someone would.
**Vote Count:
Astral(5): Chronos, USCDiver, Meeko, Innerstickler, Snickers
Oneandonly(1): Peeker
Peeker(1): Oneandonly
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Yeah, but you said in post 2433 that you think you have two. Which two? Since I count three players that you have insisted are scum this game.
Do ***YOU ***know what you know? I seem to remember some shit about you thought you’d die if your brother (specialed) was killed.
What I am wondering is How did Nay know Astral’s role name? Either he wasn’t a standard eatcher, or scum have an inv, or Astral is scum.
Why put them off? Either scum didn’t have an example of the role PM, and those guys are all town with names that can’t be counter-claimed, or scum did have examples of the role PM, and they shook with Ed. However, Mahaloth might not have given them enough names to go around, and you might get lucky and catch scum using a name somebody else can counter. Either way, scum know who’s town and who isn’t, so what additional information would we be handing to them?
If you guys are deadset on voting for me, you need something else to talk about anyway. And by putting it off, you’re giving any scum in that pile a chance to hash out their stories and claims now that they know it’s coming. I’d say put their feet to the fire now, when they weren’t expecting it.
Of course, maybe it wouldn’t hurt anything to let scum talk about it. Natlaw’s claim was pretty trasnparent.
@Everyone who thinks it’s crazy that scum could have an investigator AND a watcher:
I’d be willing to bet Gadarene’s “magical objects” allowed any number of one-shot or multi-use powers. Since Nanook is our detective, couldn’t Gadarene’s powers count as a (limited) second investigator? And if town had two, or one a half, why would it be such a twist that scum did too? You guys think they killed Red Skeezix because they could control Nanook and neutralize him; I still think it’s because they have to kill someone specific.