As it turns out, I was Glorfindel before I was Treebeard, heh.
and gamling as well.
I’ve been following (skimming) this game, since I was sadly unable to play. It was a very fun game to watch, and I was heartened by the amount and quality of the participation. Nice job Mahaloth and to all the players! Can’t wait until I have time to play again!
here is my original pm.
Lord of the Rings Role PM
You are Éowyn.
You are a member of the Alliance of Light.
You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed.
Powers:
You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching.
You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed.
You are Gamling.
You are a member of the Alliance of Light.
You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed.
Powers:
You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching.
You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed.
and here is the fracking follow up.
Small Mistake
Peeker,
I’ve made an error in your Role PM.
I would appreciate it if you don’t mention it “in-game”, so to speak. It’s my bad.
Ahem:
You are Boromir, not Eowyn.
Below is a new role PM, complete with the right name this time.
You are Boromir.
You are a member of the Alliance of Light.
You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed.
Powers:
You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching.
You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed.
so without any claiming masons i kind of figured, hmmmm. why not make masons have something similar i common. that way they have to figure it out. and when ed claimed he was faramir, not glorfindel, i thought, bingo. that’s the mechanic i have been trying to integrate into my game, but how do i make it work?
course, i was totally bas ackwards wrong.
so when chronos claimed eowyn with a power i was like bullshit. and when diver claimed gamling with no power i was like, otay.
plus, as a total aside there was some conversation leading up to this game about balancing. i had just finished mazalan with mahaloth and kind of engaged in some real indirect discussion about how could this game be a little more participatory than potter.
i laid the gauntlet down that ed and i could drive this to at least twenty pages by Day 2 if he didn’t want my help balancing. never heard back.
and then ed went down the whole handshake thing and the peek brain kicked into over gear.
and i am normally chatty but …
it was just a confluence of events that drove this beast and my behavior. plus the fact that i love conspiracy theories and still check my closets for monsters before i go to sleep at Night.
I wonder if “not knowing the canon” can ever, EVER be overcome.
I mean, I see that breadcrumbs were dropped. I can’t shake the feeling that it would not have passed me by if I knew the canon better.
Ah, but I don’t have to play in games I don’t know the canon for.
Which brings me back to :
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Maha: Will you conscript players into games again? **
To be fair, it was “I have a new game? In or not?”
AND THEN
it was told that it was LOTR.
Chronos, Drain : Where is your outrage ? Both of you got a rawer deal than I did. Certainly you see my argument for wanting to do something, just to have it needlessly snag on a technicality. Playing this game is like walking in quicksand, or worse. Still don’t see the need for VT though. **I mean, Damn, Chronos was nearly running the table at one point. **
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Maha, that is a question more for my understanding, not to be taken as a slight to your game. **
And yes, Chronos was Town.
But if I don’t get to “play” the game, I could care less, and I would lose interest.
Someone on the spoiled board mentioned a Football allegory. Not sure who’s argument this helps, but Football is … perfect information. This game did not have perfect information.
**To force the analogy : You could say that VT is told they are playing American Football, and once they find out they are playing Rugby, … they have a right to be pissed. **
If I know that indeed, other players on my team are that miss-matched to me,** BEFORE THE GAME STARTS,** then I have no problem letting them take over.
But to get in the shit, waist deep, just to find that your attempts are less than futile, pisses me off.
[Brainfarting on if ithat is open or closed as I can see the definition of having perfect information to all as bot open and closed.]
Whence the “I will create my own game, complete with a masonry set up, insert it into this game, and be the most stubborn thing possible known to man, and ape?”
I mean, if we lynch liars in this game, certainly forcing our hand to play Peeker’s Mafia over Mahaloth’s Mafia must have thrown a few switches.
Is that what “conscript” means?
I always PM previous players and see if they want in.
I’ve approved more accounts for the spoiled game.
i don’t quite get this. i was provided information that did not require a reset but was suggested to keep a lid on.
i think ed was as well.
that seems like an interesting mechanic for having not specificially associated roles to be able to hook up, if they get it and can make the connection. kind of a really weak masonry. the fact that we were brothers in canon lent even more weight.
and i still don’t know if that was a mechanic of this game or not.
i know that i got three roles. one mine. one that was false. and one that was true.
shoot is it no wonder that i struggled the whole fracking game?
That may be the case. I just don’t see how you thought you could make a masonry out of it. To say you read a few things in to it, and took a few liberties is an understatement.
Maha : As I remember it, none of us knew it was to be LOTR at the time you asked if we wanted in. I probably would have gone in anyway, but I still think someone with more knowledge of the canon could have done a lot better than I did in the game.
Might not be the literal def of conscript, but it sure felt like it. Was I to say no once I figured out that it was LOTR? Did I really have that available to me, after I already said yes?
Meeko, knowing the canon means nothing. I’ve seen the movies and that’s it. I was the only player in the game to catch Astral’s breadcrumbs. Most of the games I’ve played have involved canon I didn’t know about. A well-designed game makes it so that doesn’t matter, and it didn’t matter in this game. Town missed the breadcrumbs not because they didn’t know canon, but because Astral was subtle enough that only someone who knew what to look for would find them. And even then, only one of us did.
Quoth Mahaloth:
What, and have people wondering what this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt and ominous bird of yore meant in croaking “nevermind”?
Seriously, I didn’t want any more discussion of it than I could avoid, since I saw all too clearly the line of reasoning “Someone got an item -> So someone had an item to give -> Aragorn had items, but he’s dead -> Aragorn had a backup”. The best I could hope for was people shrugging their shoulders and saying “What does that mean? I dunno”. And really, saying “nevermind” wouldn’t really have made anything any better than just leaving it blank.
Quoth Meeko:
Drain certainly got a raw deal: She did the best job of anyone on the Scum team, and ended up getting killed through circumstances beyond her control. But I don’t see what the raw deal I got was. Do you mean that I wasn’t told how the items worked? That was one of the limitations inherent in being a backup-- Gadarene did know. But you take the cards you’re dealt, and you play them as best you can. And that goes for being vanilla, too.
By the way, Drain, I want to congratulate you. Between you and Stickler, you were actually able to fool my vote analysis program. You two are the first Scum I’ve tested it on who’ve managed to do that: Most folks don’t bus nearly as often as they ought to, as Scum.
This comes full circle back to my point.
**How can town play in a game, that they don’t know they are playing? **
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What was town’s recourse to finding the breadcrumb? IF they indeed found the breadcrumb, what on earth could they have done with it? **
And you don’t see a problem here?
I mean, I was joking about your strap-on, and you admitted that I was completely unaware about how close to the truth I came.
eh, uh…how close to the truth I ended up concluding. Yeah, let’s go with that.
Seriously : Outside of making Jokes, how can Town ““play”” this game ?
To be clear, this is what I meant about Crayolas and Mont Blancs **The game needs Calculus, and half the game gets a “I can count to 10” picture book. **
But, Hey, if you guys read stuff into my going ape shit, I can’t help that.
I am NOT asking that as Town I get a jack-in download of Kung Fu.
But, would it hurt to be handed a ream of paper, a dozen pre-sharpened pencils, and an abacus*?
- A calculator would be preferable, but frankly, I’ve been in College classes where my calculator did more of the exam than I did. But, that’s not to say that my Statistics Professor knew me by name.
[[Imagine someone as vocal as I am, trying to understand something so he can pass a class. Class participation? I had that down.]]
Chronos, when I said in the game currently on Idle’s board that I generally play my game as Scum trying my hardest to not know who my teammates are, I wasn’t lying. I didn’t know SP was Scum until he was dead, and I bussed the hell out of Astral because I knew he was going to go eventually anyway, and I was desperately hoping I would live to endgame.
This was one of the hardest and most annoying roles I’ve ever gotten. I feel like I did as well as I could have without finding Frodo, but the Scum team’s survival was pretty well hinged on me finding Frodo quickly.
I’m also a bit annoyed that the template for the fake Scum PMs was just a tiny bit different than the ones for Town. That hardly seems fair.