Lord of the Rings Mafia

[special_ed]

@GuiriEnEspana

@USCDiver

It was my first post since the handshake conversation had begun. Why shouldn’t I be allowed to participate? Since I’m a few hours behind everyone else I should just keep my mouth shut?

/snipped

I asked what you expected to gain. I presume you expected to be confirmed as Town or something but given the discussion that had taken place previously, this was looking less and less likely.

I was (and still am) concerned that we’re simply giving information to scum. If they do have access to a vanilla town PM, any further attempts at handshaking are just making it easier for them to win. We, Town, have no way of distinguishing between a valid VT handshake and a scum false-claiming handshake so we cannot consider any of those who have attempted to handshake as confirmed Town. The scum, however, don’t have this problem and so are able to identify a decent number of VTs, thus reducing the pool of players in which to find power roles. Even if every real VT successfully handshakes, we’re no better off as, most likely, all scum will have claimed VT too.

If scum don’t have the PM, there’s no problem if all remaining VTs handshake and, according to the numbers presented, we’re likely to win the game solely based on handshaking. Apart from not being much fun, I doubt Mahaloth would have left that loophole open.

I must still be missing something obvious if no-one sees the same issue.

I agree and have been stating for a while that the handshaking is meaningless. It should stop, please

[peekercpa]

@special_ed

I agree and have been stating for a while that the handshaking is meaningless. It should stop, please

kettle.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@special_ed

I agree and have been stating for a while that the handshaking is meaningless. It should stop, please

I second this…at this point the handshake discussion is just noise…

Regarding **Chronos **-

If I understand correctly, his ‘power’ goes something like this: “I know that Pleonast’s role is ‘Gandalf’, and since in the lore Gandalf was very powerful, it’s likely that he has a power in the game as well, but I don’t know for certain that he does, much less what it might be.”

No offense to Chronos, but that seems like a kind of a lame power to me…or am I once again missing something?

[Gadarene]

I don’t know; knowing for sure that a specific player had a specific (probably powerful) role name could be decently useful for Town. Kind of like a one-shot Detective who uses his powers in Night Zero and is guaranteed an interesting result.

[peekercpa]

fuck, pleo is gandalf. i missed that part.

unvote all.

[peekercpa]

and are we still counting letters in our pms? or have we totally moved on from that nonsense?

i’ve gone through mine three times and still keep getting different numbers.

and i still am unsure whether the subject line letters are supposed to be included.

crud, this game is keeping me busy.

[peekercpa]

oh shit, that’s right i already unvoted him (must have precognition).

vote cucuy

again.

[cucuy]

@peekercpa

unvote all

vote cucuy

policy lurker/non participant vote.

That’s not nice.

I apologize for not being here earlier. I’ve been checking back since sign-ups to see when the game was beginning, up to Wednesday night (I just missed my PM). Yesterday I wasn’t online, and today I’m trying to catch up.

@peekercpa

fuck, pleo is gandalf. i missed that part.

unvote all.

That’s better.

@peekercpa

oh shit, that’s right i already unvoted him (must have precognition).

vote cucuy

again.

:mad: Must. Resist. Urge. To. OMGUS.

[cucuy]

@special_ed

Yes, my attempt was to handshake with Vanilla Townies for 2 reasons

1. I couldn’t be sure that a power role ownie’s PM might not differ significant;y from mine
2. By confirming Vanillas we set ourselves up to be NightKilled. Much better to NK the Vanilla’s than the Townies.

This handshaking business makes me uncomfortable. How can I be sure that what I post can’t be misinterpreted as scum-tell, or present itself as a power role claim?

@special_ed

Let me demonstrate with a smaller example.

<snipped>

I understand Special Ed’s math, but what would keep scum from killing a confirmed townie on any day? the confirmed pool doesn’t know where scum hides among the power roles; they probably don’t know what the roles are or how many roles there are. Don’t we need to protect town power roles by keeping them hidden within our ranks?

[Mahaloth]

**Vote Count:

Cucuy(1): Peeker

SuburbanPlankton(1): Chronos

Chronos(1): Hoopy

Hoopy(1): Pleonast
**

[Gadarene]

Just a thought:

Mahaloth, can you tell us whether there’s any possibility of roles with Day-use powers?

I assume not, but it’s worth checking.

[Red_Skeezix]

@peekercpa

fuck, pleo is gandalf. i missed that part.
.

I think that is just speculation made by suburban.

[Telcontar]

@special_ed

Of course, since Mahaloth has not posted any role PMs, and since he’s had the help of both sachertorte and storyteller, I must believe that Scum have all the information they’ll need to overcome any attempts at handshaking.

So here is something I don’t understand. You made a big deal out of trying to handshake but are now saying that it really had no chance of working anyway. Now I agree that the designers of this game would have every reason to have thought about handshaking and made it impossible but, given that, why try? And why be so, and this is my subjective opinion, disagreeable about it? the arguments with Chronos and Peep.

[peekercpa]

@cucuy

@peekercpa

unvote all

vote cucuy

policy lurker/non participant vote.

That’s not nice.

I apologize for not being here earlier. I’ve been checking back since sign-ups to see when the game was beginning, up to Wednesday night (I just missed my PM). Yesterday I wasn’t online, and today I’m trying to catch up.

That’s better.

@peekercpa

oh shit, that’s right i already unvoted him (must have precognition).

vote cucuy

again.

:mad: Must. Resist. Urge. To. OMGUS.

ok, not a hell of a lot of participation but it made me chuckle.

unvote all

[peekercpa]

@Telcontar

the arguments with Chronos and Peep.

<snipped, bolding and emphasis mine>

it’s peek you son of a gun.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@Red_Skeezix

@peekercpa

fuck, pleo is gandalf. i missed that part.
.

I think that is just speculation made by suburban.

It’s not even speculation. I was just trying to come up with an example of what I thought Chronos was talking about, and I picked those two names. I meant to imply nothing whatosever.

[peekercpa]

@Telcontar

@special_ed

Of course, since Mahaloth has not posted any role PMs, and since he’s had the help of both sachertorte and storyteller, I must believe that Scum have all the information they’ll need to overcome any attempts at handshaking.

So here is something I don’t understand. You made a big deal out of trying to handshake but are now saying that it really had no chance of working anyway. Now I agree that the designers of this game would have every reason to have thought about handshaking and made it impossible but, given that, why try? And why be so, and this is my subjective opinion, disagreeable about it? the arguments with Chronos and Peep.

ed seems to play the same way as i do (and ed please feel free to tell my am full of it). which i have no doubt he will do so.

as town we need to stir the pot and see what is happening. as scum you typically need at least one stirring the pot as well.

town is looking for information and inconsistencies between stated strategies and actions (now that is a scum tell). scum is trying to suss out power roles that really hinder their chance of success.

so we play the game that typically boils us. town (and most likely some scum) want to get rid of us because we are hitting too close to the bone or scum just says to heck with it and takes him out at Night.

and i don’t want to put words in ed’s mouth. but i play this game for my team. i honestly don’t give a shit about survival if it advances my team’s wincon.

woot woot.

[Chipacabra]

@cucuy

I understand Special Ed’s math, but what would keep scum from killing a confirmed townie on any day? the confirmed pool doesn’t know where scum hides among the power roles; they probably don’t know what the roles are or how many roles there are. Don’t we need to protect town power roles by keeping them hidden within our ranks?

The scum are going to kill someone every Night. If the scum have to choose between killing a confirmed vanilla town, or an unconfirmed power, scum is basically boned. If they kill vanilla, the power roles have effectively been protected. If they kill a power role, the scum cover has been reduced.

Meanwhile, the townies are shrinking the size of the unconfirmed pool with every lynch.

Handshaking had a chance of confirming townies. It didn’t pan out perfectly, but what in life does?
I’m curious about Chronos’s half-mason claim. Does the other party know Chronos’s identity? Do they know Chronos knows? I suspect there’s more going on here.

[special_ed]

@Telcontar

@special_ed

Of course, since Mahaloth has not posted any role PMs, and since he’s had the help of both sachertorte and storyteller, I must believe that Scum have all the information they’ll need to overcome any attempts at handshaking.

So here is something I don’t understand. You made a big deal out of trying to handshake but are now saying that it really had no chance of working anyway. Now I agree that the designers of this game would have every reason to have thought about handshaking and made it impossible but, given that, why try? And why be so, and this is my subjective opinion, disagreeable about it? the arguments with Chronos and Peep.

Had Mahaloth come on and put an end to the attempt to handshake, it would have had some validity.

Since he did not, it must have been planned for.

It’s worked repeatedly in the past.

[special_ed]

@cucuy

I understand Special Ed’s math, but what would keep scum from killing a confirmed townie on any day? the confirmed pool doesn’t know where scum hides among the power roles; they probably don’t know what the roles are or how many roles there are. Don’t we need to protect town power roles by keeping them hidden within our ranks?

I was giving an example of why the Scum could not just ignore the confirmed Vanilla and kill the Town power roles. I wasn’t giving an example of something that would work for the Scum. Someone had pointed out how having a bunch of confirmed Townies exposes the power roles. I was pointing out that that is not a bad thing.